woman sent to prison for "sexual assault" for misrepresenting her gender

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  1. crank

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    So any blind person who is raped should be blamed for that assault. Cool.
     
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    The law needs a hard line, and needs it now. This BS of 'passing' in the transgender community is already way out of hand.
     
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    Males who are raped often experience a response. Blaming them for the rape because of that, is ****ing outrageous.
     
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    You are making my point for me. If I ONLY date lawyers, and a man whose not a lawyer tells me he's a lawyer, for the sole purpose of getting into my pants, he's raped me. (By your definition, not mine.) Failure to do proper due diligence before sex makes you an idiot, not a victim.

    She's not a victim; she's an idiot.
     
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    Well then the law should be built on your superior senses, no? Just to avoid inconveniencing a pet identity group.
     
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    What someone does for a job (or eats for dinner) is NOT their physical identity. You cannot make it that, no matter how hard you try. It's still the SAME person.
     
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    Blind people can be raped. I've never said otherwise. A blind person who consents to sleep with someone over and over again for two years, is not a rape victim. This is pretty easy stuff.
     
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    You didn't say physical. You said misrepresented who they are.

    What I eat, wear, do for a living, my hobbies, etc., are all aspects of who I am, as a person. Who someone is, as a person, for most people, is important in determining who they sleep with.

    I wouldn't date a former child molester no matter what. If I fail to do my due diligence, it wasn't rape.
     
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    That's effectively what happened.
     
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    Nope. She agreed to be blindfolded for every encounter they had. She literally agreed to NOT know who the person was. HER fault.
     
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    That's not entirely true. The other woman made her think she was a different person than she actually was.

    (I know, I know, You will say what exactly constitutes "a different person" and how exactly do perceptions come into play)

    The victim did not really "agree". She agreed to measures that would prevent her from confirming the claims, yes that is true. But she still thought she was getting something else. So it is still fraud.

    People who fall prey to email scams send money even though they have agreed not to verify whether the other person truly is who they claim to be. But it is still fraud.
     
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    It's very simple. Did she consent to sex with B, or with A? If she consented to sex with A, but B tricked her into believing they were A, then she has been raped.

    Legally, there is no way around this fundamental reality.
     
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    No, because it's still the same individual. Our case basically involves TWO completely different people.
     
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    Victim blaming? I guess it's a woman's fault for wearing provocative clothing when she gets raped.
     
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    Of course it matters. Everything we do in terms of consent, is predicated upon our knowledge of the identity of those we give our consent to. Our entire social and legal structures are built upon this fundamental.

    Try to picture a society in which we could practice such fraudulent bait and switch in all spheres.
     
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    I don't think that's exactly what happened because nobody was blindfolded in this instance it was someone lying about who they were in order to trick someone into sleeping with him and some instances that's right when it's a man doing it it's rape.

    I think that's the whole thing then can write people but women can't.
     
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    I think it's only if it's a man doing the tricking.
    And then only if the man does not call himself a trans woman.

    See there are privileges to the victimhood categories.
     
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    You keep saying that, but you don't agree with yourself.

    If I say I'm someone who I'm not, and get consent for sex, I have misrepresented who I am to get that sex. The lie is unimportant. You want a dept of "Lies that mean rape and lies that don't mean rape."

    Damn - how about we get back in the business of holding people accountable for their idiotic decisions.
     
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    They could be, if a long-term elaborate fraud was perpetrated on them.

    When a blind person sleeps with someone, it is because they have already made up their mind to sleep with that person in the past. They are not continually reevaluating whether they want to sleep with that person each time before they sleep with them. They just assume that person is the same person whom they have made the decision to sleep with before.

    That is taking advantage of a vulnerable person.
     
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    She was blindfolded for the sex, not for all other contact. She was seeing and talking with a "male", who incidentally wanted to blindfold her for the sex act. She no doubt assumed he was kinky, and liked "him" enough to agree.
     
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    I'm out. Enjoy building your giant government agency of Valid Rape Lies.
     
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    ALL contact. She agreed to NEVER visibly see him. She "watched" movies with him blindfolded, went for dinner, blindfolded. Did you even read the article?
     
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    She was shown a fake picture of the man she thought she was sleeping with.
    So that is not entirely true.
     
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    You are incorrect but it's okay run away now.

    We all know it's only rape when men do it.
     
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    If you take on a full disguise - hiding the reality of your actual self, creating an entirely different person - and on that fraudulent basis acquire sexual favour, you are raping.
     
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