woman sent to prison for "sexual assault" for misrepresenting her gender

She had seen images of "him", and talked to "him". As far as she was concerned, that's who she had consented to have sex with.

 

Don't forget that poster claimed she was raped and she made up some rules about what it means to be raped that are arbitrary and have nothing to do with the law.

 

So you're saying a person should actually have to see and closely inspect another person's genitals to verify that they're getting the right thing?
And if they don't do that, too bad?

 

Yeah, and too bad if you're blind. Apparently it's never rape, because you should have used your 'enhanced senses' to figure things out.

 

Yes!
Just imagine what the feminist response would be if a creepy man perpetrated this fraud on a lesbian!

 

My thoughts are that this is just another example of the massive bind the Woke create for themselves.

They NEED to defend trans-people at all costs. They're literally terrified of saying anything which might cast a shadow on that community in any way. That need is apparently so desperate, that they'll happily throw victims under the bus to do it. The feelings of trans-gressors are more important than prosecuting rape.

 

Well feminism has splintered into two components. A group they call trans exclusionary radical feminists and another group they call intersectional feminists. These two groups have become pit arrivals and I think we should let them fight to the death.

However if the man claims to be a trans woman then it's only going to tick off one section of feminists.

 

Well I'm a feminist, and my reponse would be exactly the same. This isn't about orientation, or even gender, it's about fraud.

 

I'm definitely in the first camp. Proud TERF!

 

Personally I'm an anti-feminist egalitarian. I understand the turf position with regard to trans people put the radical feminist part I can't get down with.

 

You've already come out and told us that you are bisexual. THAT is why you have a hard time seeing any problem with this.
For you, being a different gender from the one being claimed would be like a person lying about their real hair color.

 

I'm actually not radical, and neither are most TERFS. The "R" (for radical) is added by the trans crowd as a perjorative.

 

Yeah I understand it's radical to think that men can't be women in today's bizarro world. But even still I'm not a feminist. To me it's all the same malaise.

So I'm not picking winners in the victimhood hierarchy. That's my primary objection to the term terf. Really my only objection because I don't see trans women is the same thing as women.

 

You evil transogynist bigot!

 

It is interesting that this becomes a big case and news item only when it happens to a woman. There have been trans women and ladyboys doing this to men for centuries. And if called out on it, they accuse the victim of denying their humanity by disagreeing that he is now really a she.

 

I would have difficulty envisioning a case where a woman would get prosecuted for tricking a gay man into having sex with her by pretending to be a man. So I do think there are some double standards, when it comes to gender and society.

I could also perhaps envision a case of a man being criminally prosecuted for taking advantage of a woman, tricking her into having sex by pretending he's a type of man he is not. Something similar to this Gayle Newland story but the perpetrator being a man who shows her a fake picture, a picture of an attractive man, when in reality he's ugly and creepy-looking. Or perhaps if it was a blind and vulnerable young woman who was the victim.
Though of course the reverse, a woman being prosecuted for taking advantage of a man, would be totally absurd.

Since most people are inclined to view "rape" as a "black and white" thing, I think it's likely society is going to impose a certain cutoff threshold for what level of deception-caused violation they would be willing to have legally classified as a "rape". That threshold has to be pretty high, obviously, since these sorts of "rape-through-deception" situations enter a very vague and questionable territory.

 

Not sure I would agree to comparing this with marriage. While morally I think you are right about the duty to inform, there is an imminent phyisical alteration, that you literally come face to face with when those clothes come off and you engage in intercourse. The impact of that marriage certificate on your sexual experience is limited and distant to a criminal charge of sexual assault. What if they lie about having kids, or fail to inform that they are a priest rather than the janitor they said they were, or lied about their income?