Women Are Miserable

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  1. Pixie

    Pixie Well-Known Member

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    I suggest you mention wear your achilles heel around your waists.
    And women know exactly where that is.
     
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    You need to stop with the pity party. Life is tough for everybody.
     
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    Superior gender? There are two genders and each is critical to survival. Why not just leave it at that?
     
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    You misunderstand me. I’m saying that to achieve equality with men in the workplace, women have to be twice as good as the men.
    Not seeking pity.
     
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    Not until you recognise that women have had to claw their way to what is not yet equal opportunity, though it is better than 50 years ago.
    Even today you have men who want women to be content to stay at home and do what their mothers did, and if she has to give up any wish to use what intelligence she has, she should be grateful to make beds, go shopping, do the laundry and be the warm bosom of the family.
    These men tend to seek justification in religion. I could say they hide their fear of competition behind what they say their faith directs. They have found a way to suppress women that can't be challenged.
    OK if she accepts this, but don't assume that universally, women are on an equal footing . They are even more often treated as inferior elsewhere in the world.
    Your experience is, I am sorry to say, that of a very small part of reality. So please don't speak of "women" as if the entire world is as you know it today. Billions of women today spend their lives being the Second Sex.
    And spoiled rich western men don't care.
     
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    I understand. What I am saying is that this is not true and has not been true for many years now. I do realize that it is still a talking point of feminists, but it's long over. For example...

    The reason that there are many more male CEO's is there are many more males that go into higher management positions. The main reason for this is the amount of hours these people have to work. Most women have better things to do than work 100+ hours a week. You have to be sort of crazy [along with being super bright, super healthy, super-focused, and incredibly driven to take on those kinds of responsibilities].

    Why is there now approaching 70% of women in health professional schools now? Should we kick a bunch of women out to make sure there is a 50-50 mix?

    All professional movements upward should be based on merit...period. Other than the woksters, I don't know anybody who disagrees with this.
     
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    You seem like a nice person but perhaps you were napping in your history classes. Remember, prior to the early 20th century, life was difficult for EVERYBODY, men and women alike. The number of men who lived like princes were few [and even those were subject to all the difficulties of life, e.g., disease, loss of children, wives, and incredibly harsh work conditions].

    I understand that women didn't have it easy, but neither did men. You need to see this with a little context. Most men were decent people, not these horrible people that contemporary feminists portray. Read the great novels of the 18th and 19th centuries and get a better feel for just how difficult life was for everybody.

    And as far as life in other parts of the world, I am not sure what to tell you. Progress is slow sometimes. Perhaps you should make it your life's work to help out in some capacity. Being angry with people you do not know is not a great start.
     
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    As a teacher of English literature in high schools I can assure you I have read quite a few 18th and 19th century novels in my 40 year career.
    And they are FULL of women fighting against social convention which places them unquestionably between a christmas tree bauble and a pot washer.
    Men liked it that way because the rich ones got paid for marrying them and the poor enjoyed using their services.
    In both cases the women were not valued for their minds.
     
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    So you believe the entire history of women on this planet had been one of exploitation, servitude, and misery.

    If many women think as you do, perhaps that's why you are all so miserable. But I do not believe this is the case. If you pick out all the horrible things about being male [historically], you can make the same case. It's what this entire victim mentality thing is about.

    There will ALWAYS be some sort of hierarchy based on all kinds of criteria [attractiveness, intelligence, physical abilities, wealth, social skills, health, ambition, etc.]. You have to do the best with the hand you are dealt by working as hard as you can and hope for the best. In the meantime, society will move forward and things will get better over-all [with fits and starts].

    No need to complain about it all the time. This does not help anybody [especially when everybody has heard it a million times over the past several decades.

    Btw, that's great that you were a high school English teacher. Although my least favorite subject in high school, I took an Eng Lit course in undergrad and had the best teacher ever [who really lit a fie under me] and I went on to really enjoy literature and read voraciously to this day.
     
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    Women with guns — happy and independent :blowkiss:
     
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    Did Ginger Rogers shoot?
     
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    ~ Of course ! How do you think she kept Roy in line all those years ... ?
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    Can't miss with a shotgun ...
     
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    Roy?
    She kept her five husbands in line with the aid of her high heels.
    Dazzled them with footwork and then the old one, two with a shoe!
     
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    ~ Yes indeed. She did it all . :blowkiss:

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    You are mistaken.
    I see the history of women during the last 200 years as one of human rights , courage and persistence. And in far too many cases one of resistance, misogyny and useful subjection by men.
    If you appreciate EngLit, women have been remarking on their assumed social and professional position since Jane Austin, the Brontes, the secondary position of women writers like Emily Dickenson who hid her poems in a drawer, of Mary Woolstoncroft Mary Shelley who was all but ignored for a long time.
    Women visual artists are rarely celebrated, with Barbara Hepworth and a few others being celebrated within the last 50 years. Women film directors are few and far between.
    But they have become famous as models and actors...the celebration and sexualisation of women. Their superficiality.
    Their decorative value.
    And it is NOT in their gift to "make the most of what they are given". What they are ultimately given is either approval or disapproval of those who hold power.
    Men.
     
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    I would say that women don't want to be treated equally not in my experience at least.

    Anybody who says that women want to be treated equally I have the response that women can man up that's what men are expected to do. And I don't think they would want to be treated the same as men.

    It seems they want to be treated the same as men in the highest levels of authority most men want to be treated that way but you don't get to be unless you earn that position.

    Women can and do reach that upper rung I just don't think it's important to them not as much as it is to men. For men it's place in evolution that's at stake women don't have to worry about that.

    As far as minorities there's a phenomenon I've noticed within minority communities where if you do something to succeed in our society the others in these minority groups tell you that you're acting White or you're betraying your culture or your heritage and this isn't really a culture or heritage thing it's a jealousy thing. Basically if someone in the minority group succeeds they show that other people can as well and successes and is valuable to a lot of people as blame for failure is.

    So until that changes it will remain the same for minorities that's just the way it is nobody can fix that but them.
     
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    There's something very fascinating about this whole thing if you don't care about this you can skip this post but it's something I noticed and it really rather makes me laugh when I hear women complain about all the mistreatment they get by society.

    I came out of the closet is gay later in life and when I was younger I was doing all these things to keep up appearances and one of the things that I noticed about all of this was just how much a man's life is consumed with being what women want. There's guys that will risk their lives there's guys that will die there are guys who will give up their freedom who will go into bankruptcy buying vehicles all these other things to give off an image of desirability to women.

    Shortly after accepting that I'm not doing any of that anymore it was amazing to me how much in my life was just fine the way it was. Even after meeting somebody and bringing them into my life and all of the snares that you run into doing that it's far easier.

    Men primarily exist to please women because that's who they want and everything they do is for that end when they stop because it doesn't pay off anymore or the reward isn't worth it anymore it astounds me how furious some of these women can become.

    And of course they blame all of their problems no men. This thing really caught my interest when I heard that stick from Tomi lahren. She was ticked off because no men were interested in her. You weren't buying Corvettes and busting their hands and all this other stuff to get her attention they were doing that to get with the 25-year-olds.

    I also noticed this in relationships I have a number of friends that are in heterosexual relationships and they seem to be happy for the most part some of them less so than others. But in every single one of them with an exception of one there seems to be this manipulative component. In these friendships I'm friends with mostly the guys I was friends with them first before they met their wives they always have to get their wives permission I don't understand this.

    Guys will tolerate and incredible amount of BS. Abuse public humiliation violence to be with a woman these ladies don't know how good they have it.

    If more guys were like me they learn they don't want equality that's the last thing they want.

    Here's an example if a guy comes to me and complains about how it's co-workers are mean to him and it's just hurting his feelings I would scoff and call him a certain type of Willow. Administer that exact same approach to women and they're not having it.

    That's why when they complain about not having equality tell them to man up. That's what men have to do and nobody cares when they complain.
     
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    I think that depends on the workplace because in somewhere places it's 100% the opposite of that.

    If you take for instance something that's male-dominated like mechanical engineering I feel the wear 80% of the workers are men. Do women are going to be snapped up in a hurry because that fulfills diversity quotas. They normally have jobs before they even leave school. A bulldozer pushing down every stumbling block in front of them because there's fewer of them going into these fields and because everybody wants to show that they don't discriminate they're not facing the same obstacles this is really the bare bones of the soft bigotry of low expectations. You don't really have to compete with other men in certain fields because in that office or that setting you might be the only woman.

    So it depends on the field. Some of them women have all the obstacles nerfed for them just so whatever employer that hires them can show how open-minded and diverse they are.
     
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    Yeah that's a strange one to me I've always heard that women were the superior sex even from a small child and that's because I was mostly taught by women.

    You could do things to other boys that you couldn't do to girls because they were special.
     
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    They still aren't they are valued for their beauty. That's evolutionary. Men are objectified for their ability to provide, their strength, their power. Not their minds.
     
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    But that's only one aspect of women, not the totality. It would be like saying that since most men had REALLY difficult jobs [most working hard labor 12+ hours/day] that men were nothing else besides work animals.

    I think people in the present have a tendency to look into the past with improper context. Things have always been what they are and although we do have it much better than people in the past, who can say we are any happier or more content? Do you really believe that marriages are more successful today then they were when couples really needed each other to give their children a chance to survive?

    Many people look back into the past and cherry-pick what they feel is horrible but might have been ordinary in the context of the 18th or 19th century. Just surviving childhood was a wonderful thing back then. Don't get caught applying modern standards to historic norms. If everybody did this then you could say that things are going to be so much better 200 years from now that I just think I'll be miserable. This is why you must live in the present. Let the past go. People who dwell on the past are usually subject to all kinds of depression issues.
     
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    Not so. Women want more than that from their partners.
    If that is current thinking in the US no wonder that there are many divorces.
    I’m pretty sure that most men want more than a Stepford wife.
     
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    I think you're putting the caboose in front of the engine there. Selecting a partner involves a lot of this sort of thing.
    Think about what women do when they're going out to attract a mate they're probably putting on clothes that accent their curves make up to bring attention to their eyes. They don't attend the lecture at Cambridge to get ready.
     
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    You don’t partner up long term with the pretty boy/girl who is unable to maintain a conversation.
    I expect that the bloke showers and dresses nicely when he is wanting to attract females.
    The smelly dirty bloke with halitosis isn’t going to manage it even if he is a rocket scientist with a good line in conversation.
    My point is, that looks aren’t sufficient to maintain an adult relationship.
    Look at the poor previous president who had a terrible track record with women.
    He ditched Ivana who had an enviable amount of brains and helped him build his business, for an actress. It’s almost as if he thought his ability to pull blondes made him look like a good husband.
     
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