Women forced to get pregnant

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  1. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Many prolife men openly acknowledge they want the right of force an abortion and their complaint is actually that women have the right and they don't. It isn't about abortion. It is about power.
     
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    Of course it is

    Otherwise they would be more concerned about the actual living children that are dying by the millions world wide
     
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    beth115 New Member Past Donor

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    The issue isn,t about medically necessary abortions and from what I read and hear,it it currently about passing a law against "elective abortions where the fetus is 20 plus weeks old, or 5 months old or more.

    99% of insurance policies never cover " elective surgical procedures and I don't see why elective abortions n should be treated any differently. AND, shouldn't a woman at no risk and were the fetus is not at risk be able to decide if she wants to continue her pregnancy within 2 months of the onset of her pregnancy?

    Tax payers should not have to pay for elective surgery which also includes plastic surgery to improve ones appearance, elective breast implants, and other surgery deemed not medically necessary by HHS and private insurance companies as outlined in their benefits.
    Regarding contraceptives. Tax payers should not subsidize the cost of IUDs, over the counter contraception, or prescriptive drugs such as the pill unless the individual has hormonal or other medical problems where "the hormonal effects of the pill are helpful to treat a medical problem. If an individual can't afford an over the ciouter form of contraception or the pill or IUD and doesn't want a pregnancy then they should obtain from having sex.

    And if an individual fails take low cost preventative measure, gets pregnant and wants an elective abortion, they should be responsible for paying for it. But they should undergo the procedure, IMO before the fetus has a heart, the republicans are intendng to pass a law making elective abortions illegal beyond 20 weeks and the sale of aborted fetuses or their body parts illegal with out consent of the parent or parents.

    The fetal heart beat can often be heard between 6-8 weeks depending on whether the exact week of conception is known. But IMO, an elective n abortion should not be performed on a fetus with a heartbeat. And body parts of an aborted fetus should not be sold or used for study with out the mothers consent.
     
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    The standard already exists for elective abortion after 24 weeks which is the medical conclusion as to when a fetus has a "decent" chance of survival. What you have to show is that there are in fact women who elect to have an abortion after this cut off period .. please do so.

    A woman is always at risk during pregnancy regardless of the time period that has passed . .the question is should a person be forced to maintain a risk to themselves against their will.

    Tax payers do not fund ANY abortions that are deemed elective .. look up the Hyde Act, and if a person is willing to pay insurance why should they not be covered, in the end they are paying for that procedure.

    You are attempting, like so many other pro-lifers, to restrict human nature, the abstinence ideology has been an unmitigated failure .. it simply does not work, far better is comprehensive sex education and free at source contraception of all types, in the end it costs the taxpayer far less.

    The best forms of contraceptive are pretty much priced out the reach of those who could best use them .. condoms and the pill rely too much on human interaction, they are prone to human error and with the sorry state of sex education in the USA it is no surprise that they result in so many failures.

    Consent from the female is required for fetal parts to be used in research already, and there is no sale of them, any monies incurred is simply to cover costs of removal, storage and transportation.

    The heart is not deemed as defining when life has started or ended, and a gain no fetal parts are sold with or without the females consent - there is no mother in abortion unless she already has born children.
     
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    Micketto New Member Past Donor

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    Maybe if they took that age range down to 12 or 13 year olds they would have even more useless ammo.



    'Cuz we all know how bad guys want to have children out of wedlock. Amiright ?


    Lol...
     
  7. JakeJ

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    ^ Still another prolifer who claims wives should tell their husbands "no sex for at least 5 years because it will be that long before I MIGHT decide to have another child."

    Remember, prolife slogans originate with the Catholic Church and SEX IS EVIL SIN UNLESS FOR PROCREATION. So, Catholic nor not, prolife will chant whatever slogans and logic the Vatican dictates. Always has. Always will.
     
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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Procreation is a deep compulsion within many men programmed into their dna. Power and control of others, particularly women, is another primitive instinct in many men. "Wedlock" is irrelevant to those complusions. Thus you have men, even not in assault, who make 10, 20 women pregnant with no intentions of marrying them.
     
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    yes, some lie, some women even lie and say they are on the pill when they are not
     
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    I am a woman, but, I agree that it is women that needs to due diligeence when it comes to contraception. Whether by taking the pill, using an IUD or making certain her partner uses a "rubber". Men should make sure their partner is using a contraceptive device or drug and IMO should always use a rubber.

    If the woman misses a period 2 months in a row, she is responsible to take a pregnancy test and if pregnant should immediately decide whether to carry the fetus full term or to abort it. Waiting beyond two months IMO to abort the fetu s should be ilegal unless the woman's health is at risk
     
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    Using a condom is definitely a good idea to prevent STD's but unfortunately the HIV Virus is small enough to penetrate a condom.

    As far as just for BC....many women use the pill and there is Plan B and Morning After which if taken asap after unprotected intercourse will not allow a fertilized egg cell to implant in the uterine wall.

    I find it impossible to get a condom on and I have broken quite a few so I will go with women I am familiar with as far as their medical records and BC methods.

    I tried the Ramses and Trojan Xtra's but who ever designed the damn things might have accounted for length but not width or diameter as it feels like someone has placed a tourniquet on my penis. LOL!!

    Not exactly an enjoyable experience.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    And HOW do you intend to enforce all these "shoulds" ?

    Pen women up and forcefully test them every week?

    Demand ALL women's insides work identically and call women who have irregular periods "liars and murderers"?


    Call women who choose not to use BC murderers? Jail them?

    How would you punish them for not following your idea of "responsible"?
     

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