Women. Religion’s longest running victims.

LOL! There are religious prostitutes and many christians women get divorces....what separate world are you living in???

If religion is supposed to save women from harlotry and teach men to support their families it isn't very successful..

 

Read between the lines of what CD is saying....and he proves the point of the OP.

He's admitting religion is about making sure women are married and controlled by men...."for their own good", of course. So they don't become "harlots".

 

You are likely right so why is it that all those who love their mothers do not get together and demand the justice of equality?

Do humans not know how to love or can we only love those we oppress?

Regards
DL

 

Change the labels in this quote to women, minorities, gays or children being brainwashed by religions and it shows what we should be thinking and doing for each other.

"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)”

If you truly do not care, then you do not have a sense of social conscience and are not worth the air you breath.

Regards
DL

 

Especially with God himself who coveted another man's woman, cuckolded Joseph and then became a deadbeat dad by taking off.

Regards
DL

 

Quickly, tell the Iranians! More than half of their overall university students and 70% of their science and engineering students are female. And when Maryam Mirzakhani was awarded the mathematics’ equivalent to the Nobel price just recemtly - rather than putting her into her place - Iranian President Rohani twittered: “Congrats to #MaryamMirzakhani on becoming the first ever woman to win the #FieldsMedal, making us Iranians very proud" pic.twitter.com/oVL98NRdVF

The Sunni Pakistani don’t seem to heed your very own interpretation of the Qu’ran either. Unless that is, if you think they voted for Benazir Bhutto as Prime Minister because they valued nothing but her womb.

But maybe many Muslims just make more of the story of Aisha Abu Bakr, one of Muhammad’s wives, leading an army to battle, than they made of your cherrypicked quotes.

“There are many more contemporary examples of women leading Muslim-majority countries. The majority of all Muslims in the world live in countries that have, at some time, elected women as their leaders. Indeed, the three most populous Muslim-majority countries have had women as leaders including Indonesia, Pakistan and Bangladesh.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_female_political_leaders

By the way: when do you reckon the US will finally have their first female head of state?

 

Well said, dear

 

Only in ISLAM would a former child whose rape was religiously approved would lead a WAR to kill infidels who refused to submit to her pedophile husband! Typical. Mohammad messed with her psychologically, by raping her and turning her into a war monger.

Junobet, what would happen to you if a woman stood, dressed in a halter-top, on a street in ISIS territory? i.e. how MANY lashes would she get, all thanks to Mohammad's desire to control women?

If it was really wonderful and from "god", then it COULDN'T be "cherrypicked" in a bad manner, since the all-knowing would know better.

If you went back in time and saw Mohammad saying that women are intellectually inferior, would you condemn him for saying that? This is a simple question, with only one moral answer ("yes"), arguably. As a modern Secular Humanist I of course say "yes!". What say you? Anything but "yes" and we'll have to conclude that MSH is morally superior to a belief that defends sexism.

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When Islamic women are allowed to have the same number of spouses as the (obviously superior) Muslims male is, then get back to us, will ya.

 

An sexually-free unmarried woman - who doesn't "cover" (therefore the Muslim MAN has to restrain his sexual desires), who has high enough self-esteem that she refuses to share her man with another woman (= no polygamy), with no children to give to Mohammad's war machine, with a brilliant career making more money than most men, scares Mohammad and therefore many Muslim men!

 

Wait, that would probably imply that most all religions where started/run by MEN (so they could control women). But surely about half of all religions were started/run by women since they are half the population.....or are we starting to see why men start religions?

 

What that lady is really trying to say is that she now doesn't have to think for herself anymore, and she is so intellectually lazy that she actually likes that.

 

If Muslim women gain rights, it's IN SPITE of Mohammad's example, NOT BECAUSE of it.

 

Don’t you think you are rather quick to judge people, who you’ve never met or talked to?

Constant stereotyping is hardly a sign for nuanced free thought. So knowing her a bit, and just judging by your posts, I’d say that that Lady is certainly much more of an independent and intellectually active thinker than you are.

You really ought to get rid of your fear and blind hatred for “the other”*. You may find the freedom you seek once you do.

*: http://therearenoothers.wordpress.com/2011/12/28/othering-101-what-is-othering/

 

Thing is, FS, it don't work like that. Arab muslim women are fiercely intelligent and ambitious, when raised well. And those who elect to make family their career can be almost terrifyingly authoritarian and capable, on their own turf. The younger women have considerable self-respect, too, which means they won't tolerate many things that western girls put up with meekly. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you 100% on the whole 'control your women' front, but it's a misconception to view muslim women as flunkies of their men and nothing more. I would quietly suggest that's more a problem in the west (given the overt sexualisation of young women here - which keeps them 'down' as thoroughly as the practical controls in some arab nations).

 

I LOVE WOMEN!!!!

Especially highly inteligent, self sufficient, strong, capable, feminine but enjoys NFL Football and Sports!!!!

I would LOVE to see a female Preist even if I am not Religious!

AboveAlpha

 

you sound like my husband. he can't abide 'useless' women. learned helplessness (can't change a lightbulb) drives him nuts.

 

Just speaking for my own religion: it was women who witnessed the resurrection and told others about it. That was pretty much the point when Christianity started.

As for Islam: Aisha narrated 2210 hadiths and had great influence on Islam: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#Contributions_to_Islam_and_influence

As for Judaism, just off the top of my head: Miriam, Deborah, Esther, Judith … quite a few women get pretty good press in its ancestral stories.

 

Yeah...it doesn't fly well with me either.

I will open up car and building doors for a lady....pull or push her chair in or out at the table....get up when she comes back from Powdering whatever...LOL!!!

But when I am on a date and I have had some dates with extremely beautiful women but if they want to talk about Reality TV....CHECK PLEASE!!!

AboveAlpha

 

I'm not the one who teaches hatred for "the other", Jesus (hates Gandhi so much he'll see him tortured forever for not thinking like Jesus - even worse than ISIS tortured captive James Foley) did, and so did (allegedly) Mohammad.

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What percentage of the many prophets in Islam are men, and what percentage are women? In a fair and balanced world, this "Allah" person would choose close to 50/50. Is he fair?

 

If you have to use a child-rape victim of Mohammad's, who he not only raped, but struck, then you'll have to do better than that, my friend! People of the Abrahamic faiths (Christianity) often try to defend the other AF's because they know that once people start to attack, say, the flying horse in Islam, they'll soon attack the talking donkey (etc.) in Christianity, and the fairy tale will be revealed to be just that - a fairy tale.

 

Your example of those women, from a logical scientific point of view only goes to show these possible things, nothing more:
Yes, women can be delusional too.
Or
Yes, women can be drunk too.
Or
Yes, women can be high on drugs too.
Or
Yes, women can lie about stuff too.
Or
Yes, women can think that there dreams are actually real too.
Or
Yes, women can suffer from mental disease too.
Or
Etc., etc., etc.

You may want to read what neurologist Sam Harris has to say about this type of thing.

 

The Qur'an says that men are "in charge of women" (men are in charge of cattle and sheep too, I would argue), so learned helplessness comes from religion. The Bible says women are worth HALF a man, and to shut the "H" up in church, so religion has helped create many helpless women. But modern Secular Humanism does not have dogma like that, because it's a more compassionate/loving/fair belief system.

Q4:34:
Faridul Haque
Men are in charge of women, as Allah has made one of them superior to the other, and because men spend their wealth for the women; so virtuous women are the reverent ones, guarding behind their husbands the way Allah has decreed guarding; and the women from whom you fear disobedience, (at first) advise them and (then) do not cohabit with them, and (lastly) beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek to do injustice to them; indeed Allah is Supreme, Great.
http://www.alquranverse.com/4/34/Shakir

 

If they were as great as you imply, then of course they wouldn't let a 7th century wife-beater tell them what to do today. They'd also tell their husbands to "shove it" when their husbands ask/force them to wear a stifling veil or burka, etc. in the desert.

 

...it was also the point where the Crusades started, witch burnings started, treating women like 1/2 a man, Inquisitions, shunning science in favor of magic, etc. started. Not something to be proud of.

 

Ah yes.. the old "it's a man's world' thingy. With a twist..'religion is to blame', Well, why not..gotta blame something I suppose. Let's throw cause and effect out the window and replace it with 'blame'. Lets negate those cultures and societies that have and still do deify weather patterns and big mountains and forest animals and celestial objects and are male dominant cultures and societies. It couldn't be that the male is considered 'dominant' merely based on the reality that the male is the provider? He hunts for the food on the table, Risks life and limb to defend and protect the community. Does the heavy lifting, in effect. Sure women prepare the food and rear the kiddies and somewhat stabilize the community and family unit, But these are passive vocations compared to providing. No religion here, just the way things worked out. Over the millennia, women have adapted to this arrangement and have made their lot, an art form. They've learned to look appealing, act appealing, smell appealing so as to maintain their place in these cultures and societies. Although men have the longest spears and loudest voices, most do whatever is necessary to assure that 'their' women are happy and secure. Women walk behind men because 9 out of 10 times, lions attack from the front.