Women who hate the fetus – Where's your outrage over neonatal spending?!

Hmm...Reminds me of the extremist Muslim terrorists, sounds like something they might say.

 

Evangelical leaders changed from a moderate position on abortion in the 70's to a radical one by the 1980s for purpose of galvanizing their base and creating political clout.

"...a new poll by the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI) shows that the average American still holds conflicting views on abortion nearly 40 years after Roe v. Wade. Evangelicals remain much more opposed to abortion than other Americans,"
http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctpolitics/2011/06/poll_americans.html

You don't even remember your own stated position? There is zero evidence that Plan B causes abortion, let alone killing a living human being. Pregnancy can kill a living human being, however.

You want sex ed to teach there is a scientific consensus that a zygote is a human being, and that is pure B.S.

You were disillusioned by right wing polls predicting a Romney win. There are reliable polls, however.

Vouchers are not needed, because everyone already has a choice of schools. I certainly chose the schools my children attended. Anyone can, but no one should expect the public to pay for religious choices. Multiple studies have shown that public schools are just as good as private ones when allowance for student background is made.

Not impressed by your having adopted cousins, or that you work at a CPC imposing your morality and meddling in other women's personal decisions.

Surely volunteer tutoring 3 days a week counts for something. Attempting to impose your own morality on others is not the same as caring.

 

And grannie gives a high five...LMAO

And your an extremist pro-abort..right? You don't want restrictions on abortion...neither does grannie...so how could you get more extreme than that? LMAO

 

That is not the least bit extreme considering it has been repeatedly proven that legislation doesn't affect the number of abortions. It only makes sense to advocate policies that actually reduce the number of abortions.

 

Cady said,

I did not say they were pro-abortion...I said they are not the ones who DO THE WORK...THAT ARE ON THE FRONT LINES...the manual labor. I am an evangelical...I know because I work with several pro-life groups...and the majority of the workers are Catholic. The CAtholic Church stands up against it....not many evangelical churches do anything. The pastors might say a few things...but even in our churches abortion isn't talked about a lot. They should IMO.

I said provide a link...an example...you did not.

It is not bogus...and it should be taught. They teach it in MEDICAL SCHOOLS...for crying out loud. Its in textbooks....and in other journals. If it were not human and living...why would a woman hire someone? And if it was not a person..then why would we have laws against abortion in late terms? HUman life starts at CONCEPTION...THAT IS WHAT SHOULD BE TAUGHT. You don't even want that taught...for all the obvious reasons.

No....the public does not want it...never did. I don't buy polls....not at all.

If you live in a ghetto....and your children go to a public school down the street...do you think they have a choice? Our public schools are humanistic...and humanism is a religion. If you want public money to send your kid to a cess pool...then by all means do it. But had I to make the decision today...no way in hell would I send my child to a school controlled by the liberal left wing Democrats who don't want reform...who want the poor to stay put....so that they will depend on the government. They don't want people to have a choice. So much for freedom eh? People do not have the choice if they do not have the money to utilize that choice. Funny I am for choice....and you are not...you want to enslave parents.

I don't impose my morality on anyone. We work to provide women what they need. But of course you would not like a place that would not include the option to kill. We use buckets in our facilities for diapers....not dead babies. We don't go out and get women. THEY COME TO US FOR HELP. Just like the women who walk into PP clinics...for help in killing their babies.

3 hours?

LMAO My weekends are spent with groups...I go to conventions, and fairs...and colleges and universities. We organize...we plan marches and events....and that is just at the Right to Life office. That is why I often times don't get on here that much. You should notice as you live in this thing. LOL



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But then you don't want abortions reduced....killing on demand...for any reason...

 

I absolutely did, and here is what you said about Plan B, one more time:

 

I didn't get a high five, but I got a post like.

I don't think it's extreme. I think it makes sense that women should be free to have full medical authority over their own bodies all throughout pregnancy. I don't think their rights should be stripped from them based on gestational times or based on being pregnant at all.

 

Oh ok....not a high five. LOL

Well you do, but not all pro-aborts believe that way. ARe they wrong? Why don't you address them on this?

 

How can a person be more extreme?


By advocationg to ban abortions altogether.

By advocationg to imprison women who have abortions.

By advocating shoving sandpaper up the vagina of women who have had abrotions.

By screaming, with spittle flying, how women who have abortions are MURRRRRDERRRRRSSS!!!.

How proclaiming that Anti-Choicer's morals are the ONLY morals.

By insisting that abortions didn't exist before 1960.

By saying, with drool running down their chin, "if women would just stop having sex".

By thinking vegetarians have something to do with abortions.

By thinking that Gosnell was charged with "abortion murder".



Want me to go on..... I can ....

 

I do believe they are wrong. I don't address them on this because you are already doing it for me. =)

 

I started a thread for you to discuss it. LOL

I am sure you have seen it.

 

WhatNow!?

No restrictions on abortions....which would make abortion at nine months ok. Some of your friends stand on that position. STarted a thread where you can discuss it. LOL

Yes saving lives is a no no for the pro-abort position. Killing them is the aphrodisiac that keeps the position going.

Abortion is legal....no one obviously gets imprisoned...except men like Gosnell...the pro-abort positions hero. I would advocate some sort of punishment if it was illegal. We have a lot of laws on the books that punish people. Don't forget the doctors who do the killing...and nurses that help.

Don't believe that...but I would advocate shoving something in something else.......LOL

Pro-life position sees the unborn as valuable because science tell is they are a new human life....FACT. PRO-ABORT POSITION....condones killing living beings in the womb on demand from first trimester to third. Some even condone what Gosnell did. Abortion is murder.

Do you know what morals are?

Who said this?????????? LMAO Did cocktail hour start early at your house?

Abortion has always existed...no one would say differently. I will tell you however that 1.5 million women a year didn't get them

DRool........LMAO How juvenile. But what you say is true. If woman were more responsible....less abortions would happen. And being responsible would be to stop having sex unless you have protection...not taking risks. So it is a true statement.

LMAO How many cocktails?

Does it matter to you what he got charged with? Isn't he a hero? What did he do wrong in your eyes?

Oh go on....after a few more....I can't wait to see the deterioration.



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Criminalizing abortion does not save lives, and results in more maternal deaths.

Gosnell is more likely a hero to those who don't care about a life once it's born, like those who oppose national health insurance, food stamps, and even clean unpolluted air to breathe.

 

I have seen it. But I think I will let you have at it, you seem to have this particular part of the discussion down pat. I think you'll do just fine on your own.

 

No, what is extremist is to claim that it's not murder if it's done 5 minutes before the fetus comes out of the womb.

Not all babies are born at 9 months, by the way. Some of them are born prematurely. So we have some babies born at 23 weeks and surviving, and others being electively aborted at 24 weeks...

And then we can also ask what about unborn fetuses who are old enough to be born alive, but are not capable of long-term survival outside. Is it okay to kill these premature babies outside the womb? And if it's not okay to kill them outside the womb, why is it okay to do it inside?

 

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Your personal attack about drinking is very telling ....and explains a lot about your answers.
Not everyone's life is so saturated in alcohol.....I bet that would surprise you.....

 

The youngest survivor of a premature birth was 21 weeks 5 days. That was in 1987. He had the benefit of Canadian healthcare. With all the advances in technology and expertise in neonatal care in the last two and a half decades, no birth earlier than that has been successful, suggesting a limit has been reached.
Over twentytwo weeks survival odds are 10%. Twentythree weeks, 10 -35%. That includes those with physical and mental handicaps related to their birth trauma. Brain haemorrhages, blindness and the like.
The twentyfour week limit could reasonably be reduced by a week or two. To go beyond that is extremist.

 

And who would that be? Not us. We are the ones in the trenches trying to make the world a better place. What on earth do pro aborts do? Mooch off the government, skirt responsibilities... and point fingers.

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Dont and cant call anyone out on it? LOL

Understood I get it...real clear.

 

My niece was born at 23 1/2 weeks.....and she had some problems at first but today she is 20, brilliant, healthy. And the cut off to kill a child in the womb is 24. Makes me sick.

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Your personal attack about drinking is very telling ....and explains a lot about your answers.
Not everyone's life is so saturated in alcohol.....I bet that would surprise you.....[/QUOTE]

It is a figure of speech....meant to be funny...you do the same don't you? LOL I would have no idea if you even drink...but it doesn't matter. I don't drink alcohol and you would never know it...at parties. LOL

Would you again like some examples of your work?

 

I'm glad you finally get it. Now maybe you'll stop harassing me about this.

 

I get that you don't care about the life in the womb...especially someone who would condone killing a full grown child in the womb. That is you. Harassment? Not me....never.

 

Yeah you. Every thread, every day, same thing. "But what about LATE TERM ABORTIONS!? Baaaawwwww!!"

 

Outrage over neonatal care???

Sound of crickets.......................

Why should we be outraged??

You entire argument is a STRAWMAN



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It is a figure of speech....meant to be funny...you do the same don't you? LOL I would have no idea if you even drink...but it doesn't matter. I don't drink alcohol and you would never know it...at parties. LOL

Would you again like some examples of your work?[/QUOTE]

And what if that foetus has a condition incompatible with life?

 

Please stop. We don't want your idea of a better world with women as second class citizens, slave-labor wages, destroyed public schools and environment, and theocratic government.

Who are the "moochers"? Red states take in more Federal dollars than they pay in taxes. The US spends $59 billion on social welfare and $92 billion on corporate subsidies, the Republicans' sacred cow. By "skirt responsibilities," do you mean by having abortions?

 

OK, again off topic and again discussing Late Term Abortion AGAIN.

So, please tell me how a "full grown child" FITS in the womb...some "full grown children" are 6'3" and weigh 250...how DO they fit...???

I really want to know..