Yeah it's incumbent upon A man to think before he acts. I don't know why we don't have the same expectations on women.
Who said we don’t have the same expectations for women?? Women certainly have to think even more because they have to go through all the physical aspects.. projecting your silly extremism
would women be as willing to get pregnant if they could apply for unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed instead?
The Supreme Court in Roe v Wade But they can opt out at any time during the pregnancy men cannot. Nope, just presenting facts.
What does roe v wade have to do with responsibility? That was your point You are right women can opt out of pregnancy and men can’t. I wonder why. Could it be because men can’t get pregnant? When men can get pregnant they can opt out but meantime men are smart enough to know that once they impregnate a woman they will be responsible for their offspring. Both of them know the options and more of the burden falls on women. Women can’t just walk away, men can and do all the time
that decision gave women the ability to opt out of Parenthood during pregnancy. Inequality. but they're still going to be held responsible for the child if the woman decides to have it meaning he doesn't get a choice women do that's inequality. yes I understand I just don't understand why it's too much to ask that women be treated equally in this regard. false more of the burden falls on the man. Women choose a burden or not. They want to be arrest for child support for 18 years. Sure women can just walk away. They can have an abortion no questions asked. They can dump a baby at a fire station no questions asked. The only way a man can walk away is by being a fugitive.
Let me pretend that you are one of my eighth graders in my sex Ed class. “Guys, you understand that if you impregnate a woman you may be responsible for YOUR child for the next 18 years becuase the child is half yours. Since it is only the woman who gets pregnant she has the final say, you don’t.” I do find it funny when you talk about equality as though a male and a female have the same thing happening to them into their bodies. You think that a man who doesn’t have to go through either pregnancy or an abortion has the same burden?Only a man could say something so silly. An abortion is painful and Pregnancy can be dangerous and raising a child for 18 years maybe something she is not ready for. So please don’t talk about equality because isn’t certainly isn’t equal.Let me ask you a question. Say she wants the child and he doesn’t who should have the final say? Say he wants the child and she doesn’t, who should have the final say? Men know the answer and they should think first with the right head
yes they can't kill it in the womb and I can't throw it away at a fire station after it's born. men that are held to higher responsibilities standard than women yes I know you don't have to keep reiterating this. yes that is a right women have that men do not tell me again about equality. this has squats to do with bodies. a woman has the right to opt out of Parenthood during pregnancy and a man does not. That is a right who women have that men do not. No a man doesn't have the same burden, he has a completely different one that he is forced by law to carry. Such a misanthropic response. Standing up against Injustice is often dismissed by those with privilege. But if a man isn't ready for it, **** him he should have known better. Why don't you think women are capable of thinking ahead? Why do you hate women so much? I know it's not, that's the point. The poor little girl she's confused and she's not ready and she needs an escape clause. The man...**** you, you should have known better before you did the same actor with the same person that they did with you. well she absolutely has the final say on whether or not the couple has a child but it might spell the end of a couple because the man might want a child. A lot of the times men who want a child see women who don't as a deal-breaker.
I really can’t believe that you are silly enough to say that there is no equality because women have to go through the agony of childbirth and pregnancy .You seem to believe that equality means being the same and no men and women are not physically the same . When men can get pregnant you’ll make more sense . And you’re very perceptive when you say that women can opt out of pregnancy and men can’t lol men aren’t equal to you becuase they don’t get pregnant. Yes they have male privilege not having to go through what women have to go through. I guess you think pregnancy and childbirth and raising a kid for 18 years is fun and games What burden do men have that women don’t? And what is that silly thing that women can drop a baby off at a fire station. Oh well there goes the animosity towards women again. It’s just such a common practice. And more silliness that Women don’t think ahead means I hate women. What the heck you talking about? Males and females often take a risk hoping there will be no pregnancy but they both know the consequences. Remember equal does not mean the same
That's nobody's fault that's nature. Women being granted more rights than men is inequality by definition. that's false I don't think that. I think equality means being treated the same by law. but men can opt out of Parenthood during pregnancy like women can if they're not ready it doesn't matter. we only take into consideration whether or not the woman is ready and that is privilege. they just have to work and pay for it all either through taxes or child support. Yes tell me again how Independent Women are. working their entire lives and paying for it all. And sometimes not being allowed to see the child. it's called The safe Haven law or sometimes a baby Moses law. It's illegal act to dump your baby somewhere. I don't know how pointing out a law you didn't know about is animosity toward women. pointing out a law you didn't know about somehow means I hold animosity toward women. If it doesn't make sense to you why do you do it to me? rights equal means being treated the same under the law meaning no special rights. We see special rights for women. I pointed out several you did not argue against them. you instead argued that women deserve those rights because they are superior.
men can't opt out of Parenthood during pregnancy this is a specific special right that women have. Special rights for one class and not for the other is not equality under any circumstance. In order for it to be equal a man should be able to abort his parental responsibilities. He shouldn't just be at the mercy of what the woman decides. That isn't equality.
I think what is so offensive here is your total disregard for the baby. You think he should deny HIS child support. Your other point which is so ridiculous is that men and women should be treated the same involving pregnancy. It’s physically impossible and they both have consequences. The women have more serious consequences but you want me to have none It is a waste of time for me to argue that women have special rights while ignoring physical differences you are an obvious extremist...because you you make up,silliness like I believe women are superior. No gray either/or
You are right me should be able to opt of their pregnancy. I support abortions for men. It hurts And I think it is disgraceful that you justify a father of a child having no parental responsibilities . You see his child something to discard because he didn’t want it . I’m glad you’re gay and can’t have a child because obviously you don’t respect children or care about them
well no I just don't think women should be allowed to kill babies in the womb. Holding them to the same standard as men would solve that. calling people an extremist is just a thing you say when you can't argue the point. It is a pathetic cop out.
I just think it's profoundly hypocritical. A woman exterminate a fetus but a man can't say I'm not raising it. It's amazing how entitled to you are. And how a fetus goes from being clump of cells when you want to kill it to a precious child when you want money from Men. I find it very funny that all the sudden a fetus becomes a child when were talking about men's responsibility.
Now you’re speaking out of both sides of your mouth. You’re saying women shouldn’t be allowed to have abortions but the father should have no responsibility. Lol
It’s very annoying when people personify a zygote. You say that a woman should not have an abortion and at the same time you’re saying men shouldn’t have responsibility. It’s his baby but Your extremism again kicks in you imply that when a woman has a baby she only wants the money from a man. Your contempt for women is amazing. And your indifference toward a child is pathetic. By the way you can’t kill something that’s not alive. When a woman is pregnant and wants a baby she will refer to it as a baby that’s called personification. If she doesn’t want it she doesn’t personify it. When I was pregnant I gave my fetus a name, though I knew it was not yet a child...just a potential child. My fantasy. Kinda like an acorn and an oak tree . An acorn is a potential tree .
No I'm saying in order to be consistent with abortion laws is that if a mother gets to opt out during pregnancy a father should have the same ability. I'm off for no abortions and no opt-out. Both of those positions are logically consistent. The woman being able to make all the choice and the man well **** you because you're a man. That is anti-equality.
yes when you personify a zygote you are being annoying. And I'm going to point out the times you do it. men can't get pregnant so they don't have any responsibility to abort a zygote or not. that's 100% the woman's choice that's 100% her responsibility. wait when did the zygote become a baby? why are you personifying a zygote I'm talking about before the baby is born. It's okay to kill it or aboard it why isn't it okay to say I'm not going to be its father if it does get born? no this is your extremism. when it comes to making men responsible you can personify a zygote as you did. no no no no this is before the baby is born quit personifying a zygote. this has nothing to do with children why are you personifying a zygote? if the potential father ops out of fatherhood before them zygote magically morphs into a baby out of non-living matter, then we're not talking about abandoning a child. The child didn't exist unless when it's in the womb it's a child. But if you make that argument and if you're pro-choice you necessarily are pro murdering children. and you can't be a father to something that's not alive you can only be a father to a child so if you opt out of becoming a father you're not really doing anything wrong. If the woman decides to have the baby that's her mistake. She could have aborted it before it was alive. so women get to decide if something is a person or not and men have to pay for that decision? Your contempt for men is not amazing at all of you are a feminist that's what you do. I You are the one personifying the fetus or zygote when it comes to men's responsibility. that is profoundly hypocritical of you but then again I'm not surprised you're a feminist.
How could a father opt out of a pregnancy? When he has a uterus he can do that. What you don’t seem to understand is that most men are intelligent enough to know the consequences that they will not have the final decision. From knowing you here or you probably think the man should have the final decision and she should not be able to Do you think men are so stupid that they don’t understand that if they get a woman pregnant that she will have the final decision and if he doesn’t like the decision the hell with his child. As I said thank God you’re gay and you can’t have a child
How is he a father if we are talking about a zygote/fetus? Why personify it? But women aren't? Why do you think women are so much dumber than men? I don't support anybody having more rights than the other. I truly support equality. Again, since when is a zygote/fetus a child? Why is it a child when we are talking about men's responsibility but it's a zygote/fetus when we are talking about women's rights to abort it? Why the duality? Since when does gay equate to sterile?
You are the only one personifying a zygote/fetus. It's just that you are selective when you personify it. When it comes to making a man responsible for it, it magically becomes a child in the womb. But when a woman wants to exterminate it, it's not even alive some how.
So let me understand. If a woman chooses to allow a zygote to become a child, the father of the child that he created should have no responsibility in your world. I am not personifying the zygote, I refer to it as a POTENTIAL person.thats what it is.
No , women aren’t dumber. Women know the consequences as a matter of fact they are the only ones who have to physically address those consequences. Men know their the woman has the final word. But you don’t think they should You seem to want males. to have more rights than women. I have to laugh that you truly support equality. All you do is bash women. A ZEF is not a child until it’s born. If it makes you feel better a male has no responsibility while his child is developing but once his child is born he has the responsibility for 18 years Gay doesn’t mean sterile, but gay men can’t get pregnant...actually no man can.. It’s so interesting, you are against reproductive freedom for women, but you don’t want men to have to support their children .
