World's most intelligent man believes in God

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  1. Steady Pie

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    I know dozens, if not hundreds of Atheists. Of those a small handful that think most religious people are stupid.

    This is all good and well, but the smartest person being Christian doesn't mean a thing. Nor does a significantly higher percentage of post-graduates being irreligious than the general public mean that there is no God. This sort of thinking is ridiculous.

    Well well well. The tables have indeed turned now, Mr. Bond :p
     
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    Oh for God's sake.. nobody is "slaughtering the Catholic Church"..........
     
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    I find it pretty funny that she/he thinks it's Nazis who are opposed to the Catholic Church ;)
     
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    Some people are understanding somehting and others are understanding something - but I guess you understood something.

    http://youtu.be/vsN4YKF8bI8
     
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    The exchange we were having was about the religious demographics in Germany in 1939.. and you go off the deep in about attacking the Catholic Church.
     
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    Where do you come from? Arcturus IV?

    http://youtu.be/7WYq3iON8KQ
     
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    Bye bye.
     
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    I don't get the reference :(

    Also, what's with the video?
     
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    As a young man, every bone in my body wanted to pick up a machine gun and kill Germans. And yet I had absolutely no reason to do so. Certainly nobody invited me to do the job. But that's what I felt that I was trained to do. Now no part of my upbringing was militaristic. Pete Townshend

    http://youtu.be/4WBmqz_qh_o
     
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    I don't get the reference either.......

    the first thing the Nazis did was to round up and isolate all the "intellectuals"... professors, clergy, philosophers, scientists.. anyone with an education and a brain who might speak out or oppose them.
     
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    I've been to Korea and Japan and my ex was Vietnamese (from there)...

    Your figures are WAY OFF!!!! Vietnamese (like 99%) are Catholic. Koreans and Chinese are Tao or Buddhist, but it’s hard to say the percentages due to the influence of their Gov’ts not really liking religion. They may practice, but they surely aren’t going to make that publicly known. In Japan they (meaning almost all) practice Shinto…
     
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    If that were to happen today, they would round up anyone who wasn't a registered Republican! :)
     
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    Well I must admit all I did was gather figures from a variety of websites, but that's better than anecdotal evidence. The CIA world factbook puts the figure of catholics in vietnam at just 6.7%, and "no religion" at 80%. And you're right that it's hard to gauge China but official figures have put it at 40% at times. And although most Japanese have 'Shinto' as their religion on birth records, there's a significant Buddhist population, and anyway, Shinto believes in spirits, not gods.

    But that's not really so important, the fact is that there are actually very few 'majority' atheist countries, and it's not limited to white western countries. Although it is clear that Islamic countries have very low incidence of atheism.

    If you have other sources for stats I'd be happy to see them as it's a very difficult thing to pin down, statistically.
     
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    What's the source for this idea? Intellectuals and also intelligent people were often the greatest admirers of the conservative revolution nationalsocialism. It's a modern myth to think "the Nazis were idiots" - unfortunatelly they were not idiots. To bring people in the situation to believe in nonsense was intelligent. Intellectuality and/or intelligence are not positive values per se. Lots of leading Nazis were for example educated to be humanists - and [the christian form of] humanism was in the opposit of the ideology of the Nazis - Darwinism was in the center. Werner von Braun for example was a Nazi. A very intelligent and a very intellectual man.

    http://youtu.be/FPE87zJnigU
     
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    How do you call someone who lives not in respect of god and kills innocent people in his/her name? I call such people "atheists" and I care a (*)(*)(*)(*) wether someone is using Allah or any other name for this god denying motivation. I 'know' (=I feel in my heart as sure as I'm able to feel) god allows nothing in this direction. I'm also sure he 'allows' not even to murder an animal.

    http://youtu.be/py2TiFsq9T0
     
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    Well, the prevailing opinion is that you have to deny or at least disbelieve in the existence of any gods to be an atheist. You feel free to make words up that mean something different, but you may find yourself having to explain this quite often.
     
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    The issue I have with the concept of God as creator is that why the need to design a system as complex as requriing millions of years of evolution to finally have a creature capable of understanding the concept of God, in the first place...why not just create man...as Genesis hints at. If God is all knowing and all powerful, why not just skip to the chase...create man.

    Darwin's theory then seemingly changes the concept of God from 'hands on" to "hands off"...a God who starts the clock by winding it, but does not pay much attention to it after that...the processes were created and from there the principles set in place take over...

    There are a lot of inconsistencies, in the Biblical concept of God...therefore at some point an intellectual understanding of God requires accepting or denying these inconsistencies.
     
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    People may or may not understand the concept of a god, but surely not what it would be if it does exist. An ant probably understand Chicago better than that!

    Its very hard for people from a western society not to think of "god" as, you know, "god'. Middle eastern sky god perspective.

    Hard also not to think of this god / satan thing as the two halves of the universe, or perhaps, god / not god.

    I grew up with these ideas no more a part of life and outlook than, say, Tanzanian stickball.

    Its still kind of strange to hear people talk about their ideas as if they were it, universal.


    Hard also for us earthlings to step outside our little corner of space and see that we dont amount to squat. Trillions of stars and planets to consider, all doing interesting things. Life on planets by the billion, near a certainty. if he needs any entertainment, let alone "praise . glorifying" (weird idea) theres better shows than us by far.

    And too, god presumably stands outside time, besides being infinitely patient.
    Nothing to rush, nothing to slow down.

    When I look at Hubble deep space photos, it makes me, as it does the rest of us, feel very very tiny. The other day it struck me how absurd to imagine a single mind and power greater than all of that!
     
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    WHAT?!?!? Vietnamese at 6.7%? Wait… I see now… I made a grave error!!! Please forgive me. I didn’t mean to put “Catholic” – I meant religious! My ex is Catholic and she said they are all religious – or pray to their ancestors, but mostly Buddhist… there was some other ones that I don’t remember… I’ll Google them up. But, having no religion is FAR from correct…

    We can’t put anything on China – that’s just impossible due to their Gov’t…

    I know they have a large Buddhist population in Japan, but Shinto is the schite there! :) Also, Shinto is just more than “spirits” it’s “everything”! Gods, Spirits, ancestors, demons… the whole caboose…


    You are correct that it’s hard to pin down…

    I found this, and I think that is what they are basing the number on which is wrong http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Importance_of_religion_by_country

    They are basing how religious a country on by a yes or no question on if “Daily Religion is Important In Your Life”. Which is “messed up”… There are Christians here that might say no to that – DAILY? Certain religions do not require “DAILY” sacrifices or prayer or whatever… I think it’s very misleading… Especially for those in Buddhist and Tao Asian countries since those are quite different from what we look at as “DAILY” commitments…
     
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    I got a "dislike" on my previous post, how rude...I didn't think my statement divulged a propensity towards anti-religiousity, only that an intellectual acceptance of the Bibilical
    God requires accepting inconsistencies in how this God is portrayed....

    More to the point.

    The Greek word from which Catholicism is derived, katholikos, translates as "universal."

    Christianity is the first major religion in the World to transcend cultural boundaries, unlike Islam which is rooted in Arab and Persian worlds, or Hinduism which is rooted in India or Buddhism, also predominantly in Eastern cultures. Christianity therefore is not without merit in the expectation of a "universal" approach to the concept of God. It was designed to spread globally and transcend cultural-centric religions....

    Christianity is not exclusively a "Western" religion...it's roots are semitic...not Roman, Jesus of Nazareth was a Galilean semite....
     
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    Very simple: It were atheists who shot Malala Yousafzai down in the misrespect of god. You are able to understand this - if you wouldn't like to understand this then it would be another problem - but not my problem. Whoever seeks god seeks life not death.

    http://youtu.be/R_KIoGsxsKI
    http://youtu.be/x1uJidwo77s
     
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    Respecting god is not required in order to believe that a god exists. I can see your point but, like I said, your idea of atheism differs from the norm. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, but it might sometimes make meaningful discussions a bit harder to to conduct.
     
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    Someone who believes that a god exists is not respecting god.

    http://youtu.be/cVW3yPCwOfU
     

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