Would Israel attack a non violent neighbour ?

If the Palestinians had no guns, there would be peace. If Israel had no guns, there would be no Israel.

Israel does not attack, it defends itself, like many countries have in the past. In World War II, for the first time, the Germans began the direct bombing of British civilian targets. Winston Churchill retaliated with many bomb attacks on Germany, most infamously the Dresden bombings, leading to the death of around 25,000 German civilians. So to those who say the retaliations of Israel and the IDF are disproportionate, yes, I agree. They are completely disproportionately restrained; Israel is the only country in that situation (England in World War II, USA in Vietnam etc.) that attacks only military targets. Israel is not a sadist nation that enjoys war, instead, she is excercising the basic right to defend herself. The moment the Palestinians and other Arab nations stop launching rockets and jihadists into Israel, there will be peace. Until then, there will be no peace.

 

Since when did Israel become a woman?

 

Feminine pronouns are often used when referring to countries...

 

sweet lucidity

although there are many brainwashed people who cannot see this...

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my point exactly…and one should realize their airspace can be totally conquered in less than a minute and less than 20 seconds for most areas of land , using todays speed of rockets and aircraft…what a mightamre logistically to defend against maniacal marauders ..

Jews by nature and religion are a peaceful people, hence walking into the gas chambers hence NEVER AGAIN!!!

My point and i challenge anyone with an honest background historically to prove this wrong...

 

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Welcome Daniel to the battle field... it is with a heavy heart that I want to disassociate myself from your quoisi pragmatism.
Israel has been at the <receiving end> for so long, readers must have lost count of this reality!

Israel has been patient for more than 65 years of independence and the constant attacks on its structure and people, has given it a disappointing sour taste at the mouth... this cannot carry on indefinitely without something drastic to happen soon.

The notion that its citizens are foreigners implanted in an Arab region, the notion that they are considered <infidels> because they are not Muslims is as frivolous as can be. The majority of world readers are not even aware that this Land is the Land of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and in this Land monotheism started and the seed of Judaism was implanted. It is true that in 636 CE this Land was conquered by the hordes of Islam and thankfully has never turned into an independent Arab country...

We as the sons of this Land cannot be called Foreigners, We came back home from a long, long absence forced on us by other Foreign powers, we have bought our Land back, we have tilled it and built it these past 65 years and we intend to turn the place into a center piece of beauty, an oasis of freedom, democracy and Justice from a sea of inequity, from an ocean of sand and religious fanaticism.

Yes Israel does not attack but retaliates... granted I agree with that... how long do we have to play this childish tennis game, you hit me I hit you back... How long this has to continue? We have to take action and nib the bud at its source!

Frankly I am tired to hear our leaders continuous refrain when attacked that this is serious and we would retaliate...
I am tired to witness funerals of people and youngsters sacrificed on the altar of some world power demagogic denunciations of <I know better than you, and follow my advice> when these suggestions are the concoctions of self interests.

Let me hear from others.

 

Here is the description by VIDEO of <Racism> by Anne Bayefsky


http://www.youtube.com/embed/L98xA-vtRf0

 

Op-Ed: Israel vs.Islamists: Setting the Record Straight
Muslim-on-Muslim violence is what the world should be condemning. Instead, the Brits put up a "wall" in London the protest the security wall that discriminates against suicide bombers.
~by Phyllis Chesler

Israel National News
December 24, 2013

http://www.phyllis-chesler.com/1221/op-ed-israel-vsislamists-setting-the-record

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Lets' set the record straight before the year ends:

Israelis not an apartheid Nazi state. Islamis the largest practitioner of both gender and religious apartheid.

Infidel violence against or hatred of Muslims is a mere drop in the bucket. Muslim-on-Muslim violence is a pandemic and indigenous feature of Muslim-Muslim relationships, beginning with the endless religious feuds between Sunni and Shiia Muslims.

Today, Muslims are torturing, exiling, and blowing each other up in Egypt, Syria, Somalia, Sudan, Pakistan, and Afghanistan&#8212;to name only a few Muslim-majority countries.

While the West may be imperfect, mea culpa, mea culpa, Islam has a very long and bloody history of imperialism, colonialism, anti-Black racism, conversion via the sword, slavery, and the above mentioned apartheid.

http://www.phyllis-chesler.com/1221/op-ed-israel-vsislamists-setting-the-record

 

bump do to importance of the beauty of Zionism

 

Zoroastrianism - that is the name of a monotheistic faith that predates Judasim. Thats just for starters.

If Israel only retaliates then how is it that the peace in Gaza was broken by the IDF and that led to the last Gaza war. Did Israel retaliate when they bombed Iraq in 1982? Did Israel retaliate when they joined Britain and France in the Suez invasion? One might say that it is other countries that retaliate against Israeli aggression.

A person whose family never touched the soil of Israel for more than a thousand years is given citizenship automatically but one born there having fled fighting and wanting to return to the land of their birth but refused entry, is not. Is it any surprise that the people denied their land call half of the jews in Israel foreigners.

Israel is there and not going away. They have a right to prosper and exist in peace (within the pre 67 borders and that is already a major concession of resolution 181) but so do the Palestinians have the same right to self determination on their land.

As for what is really Israel and what is not we should look to the Israeli response to the United Nations on 22 May 1948
Question (a): Over which areas of Palestine do you actually exercise control at present over the entire area of the Jewish State as defined in the Resolution of the General Assembly of the 29th November, 1947. In addition, the Provisional Government exercises control over the city of Jaffa; Northwestern Galilee, including Acre, Zib, Base, and the Jewish settlements up to the Lebanese frontier; a strip of territory alongside the road from Hilda to Jerusalem; almost all of new Jerusalem; and of the Jewish quarter within the walls of the Old City of Jerusalem. The above areas, outside the territory of the State of Israel, are under the control of the military authorities of the State of Israel

The Palestinians have no military worth speaking of and are brutally occupied by a nuclear power with the 6th most powerful military in the world. Israel is by no means the underdog here.

 

When South Africans go to Israel and describe the conditions there as akin to Apartheid then believe them its Apartheid.

 

Oh, i get it, so thats why you have in the Israeli government Arab, Ethiopean, Druze, Mizrahi ministors, becasuse of the Apratheid?

 

In South Africa we also had colored and Asian people in our government.

 

and nowadays South Africa is not an Apartheid, and thats why you have in your government not just with people. imagine that.

When South Africa was an Apartheid you couldnt find ministors that was not white in their government, and different roads to white and black, and had different restromms, and NOWADAYS you dont have all that crap because South Africa is not an Apartheis state, thanks to Mandela R.I.P imagine that.

learn about your history before you call any country and Apartheid.

 

Atenism predates zorastrianism, thats where the Israelites formed their beliefs, in Afrika not Iran.

 

Would Israel attack a non violent neighbour ?

imo - in order to gain more land ? YES
- that's all Zionist Jews ever wanted - in total disregard of the non-Jews who've inhabited that land for many centuries before Herzl's "der Judenstaat " a plan to displace/dispossess Palestinians .

 

Some would say the Jews came from modern day Iraq. According to the Hebrew Bible, all Israelites descend from Abraham who was born in the Sumerian city of Ur Ka&#347;dim. Genetic studies on Jews show that most Jews worldwide bear a common genetic heritage which originates in the Middle East, and that they bear their strongest resemblance to the peoples of the Fertile Crescent.

 

I lived in Apartheid South Africa and experienced the history you think you know of. I have family in Israel and know people who have experienced good and bad in Israel. They have experienced apartheid in South Africa. There are many aspects of Israeli society that are akin to an apartheid state.

 

Israel wouldn't sign any of the peace agreement that Israel signed in with Arab countries if Israel wanted more land.

The UN disagree with you, look at paragraph 80 in the Charter of the United Nations, and then you can come here and say that the Jews stole the land that Israel established on.
Probably you didn't read my comment about Herzl but Herzl didnt want country that the Jews could be Jewish, he wanted a country for the Jews that will be European with European culture.

 

As for different roads for different people well that is what you find in areas under IDF occupation. In apartheid South Africa there was a tricameral parliament with ministers of White Colored and Asian hues. It was rigged in a way that the important portfolios were always white run. I suggest you learn about history

 

To call Israel an Apartheid its just wrong.
Israel never was and never be an Apartheid state, you have in Israel laws against discrimination and the country punish those who discriminate, minorities in Israel have the right to vote to rally, live wherever they want to live. If you lived when South Africa been an Apartheid state you must know that Israel is not an Apartheid

 

First of all you talked just minute ago about what happen inside Israel.
Secondly the West Bank, all of the Arab cities you know who control them? the PA, you have there schools, policemen, fire department, laws, government, please i been in the West Bank 3 years of my life, i know what happen there, and there is signs about Jews dont need to enter Arab cities, because the Arabs there could kill them, as simple as that.

 

So you now beleive that the Palestinians control the West Bank and all of its cities. So why would there be Jewish only settlements built by Israeli Govt tender. Roads and Buses just for settlers. Endless armey check points just for Palestinians. No apartheid there, no sir

 

a system of control in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, including Jewish-only settlements, the ID system, separate roads for Israeli and Palestinian citizens, military checkpoints, discriminatory marriage law, the West Bank barrier, use of Palestinians as cheap labour, Palestinian West Bank enclaves, inequities in infrastructure, legal rights, and access to land and resources between Palestinians and Israeli residents in the Israeli-occupied territories resembles some aspects of the South African apartheid regime, and that elements of Israel's occupation constitute forms of colonialism and of apartheid, which are contrary to international law. - Report of the UN Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967, John Dugard

 

On 21 April 2010, the South African government expressed "the greatest concern" over Israeli Infiltration Order 1650. The South African government said the terms of the order are "reminiscent of pass laws under apartheid South Africa"

In an April 2010 open letter to the University of Berkeley, Anglican Archbishop and Nobel Peace Prize winner Desmond Tutu wrote "I have been to the Occupied Palestinian Territory, and I have witnessed the racially segregated roads and housing that reminded me so much of the conditions we experienced in South Africa under the racist system of Apartheid. I have witnessed the humiliation of Palestinian men, women, and children made to wait hours at Israeli military checkpoints routinely when trying to make the most basic of trips to visit relatives or attend school or college, and this humiliation is familiar to me and the many black South Africans who were corralled and regularly insulted by the security forces of the Apartheid government."

 

On 6 June 2008, Mr. Kgalema Motlanthe, the Deputy President of South Africa and of the African National Congress, who had recently visited the Israeli-occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip, told a delegation of Arab Knesset members visiting South Africa to study its democratic constitution that conditions for Palestinians under occupation were "worse than conditions were for Blacks under the Apartheid regime."

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In 2008 a delegation of ANC veterans visited Israel and the Occupied Territories, and said that in some respects it was worse than apartheid. One member said "The daily indignity to which the Palestinian population is subjected far outstrips the apartheid regime." Another member, human rights lawyer Fatima Hassan, cited the separate roads, different registration of cars, the indignity of having to produce a permit, and long queues at checkpoints as worse than what they had experienced during apartheid. But she also thought the apartheid comparison was a potential "red herring". Andrew Feinstein, a former ANC parliament member, was shocked to see footage of teenagers heaping abuse on and throwing stones at Palestinian children, especially done in the name of Judaism.