Would Jesus let Mohammad, Moses, and Buddha into “heaven”?

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  1. maat

    maat Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nope. Jesus used Gehenna(an ongoing burning dump outside Jerusalem) to illustrate the destruction of the unsaved at judgement.

    Again, those before Christ are under the law. Those who never knew or heard of salvation are judged differently than those who were given the opportunity.

    Despite horrific false doctrines on the modern church, God does not torture the unsaved In an eternal torture chamber. IMO, our life is a testing ground for eternity with him. It is where we learn good and evil and choose one. At the end of the age, the saved join him and all else are annihilated in the lake of fire. This is an eternal punishment due to it is final.

    No one knows whether Budda or Mohammad go to heaven. Mohammad is under the age of grace and is judged accordingly.
     
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    To skip all the BS in the thread and answer your question:

    Since Mohammad taught a religion utterly incompatible with Christianity, Mo does not go to Heaven. Unless at some point he repented of creating Islam and accepted Jesus as his Savior.

    Moses, as a member of God's chosen people and specifically as a person chosen by God, is in Heaven.

    Buddha was not a Jew, I assume he knew nothing of Judaism, and he pre-dates Jesus so he was not exposed to Jesus teachings or that covenant. Your question is really "do people who have never heard of Judaism, Jesus and the New Testament, go to Heaven or hell?" The question is not clearly dealt with in the Bible. The Bible says every man has an inherent knowledge of God even without direct exposure to Jesus or Judaism, so the assumption is that God will judge the hearts of those who have not heard of Jesus. So did Buddha go to Heaven? No living person knows.
     
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    As I understand the process, Jesus doesn't have much to do with it. St. Peter is the guy with the keys.
     
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    Jesus himself said that he has not to abolish the old law or the prophets. He has only has come to fulfill the prophecies regarding him. No prophecies said that he will abolish any laws either.


    And heres the kicker


    Have you discarded the laws? You might be going to hell


    New International Version
    Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law.Galatians 5:3

    are you circumcised? Are you not obeying the law? A lukewarm christian perhaps?


    "I know all the things you do, that you are neither hot nor cold. I wish that you were one or the other! 16But since you are like lukewarm water, neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth!"


    Non-christians go to hell and so do lukewarm Christians. How many true Christians are in the world. Christians that mind the old law.

    Only judail faith people that will got heaven is the ones that come before Jesus. Since believing in jesus wasn't required to enter heaven there. Only the chosen could enter heaven before jesus. Then jesus acted like a sacrificial lamb and cleansed away all the sins.

    Everyone but moses is outside of this circle.

    Jesus himself said that the ONLY way to heaven is through him. Jesus said that.
     
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    You are awesome. I have more respect for you than I do for Jesus. When was the last time someone told you that?
     
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    More awesomeness from you.
    You are clearly more moral than Jesus ever was - you'd allow Gandhi, Ben Franklin, moral Muslims, moral atheists, moral Hindus, etc. in to "heaven" if you had that (supposed) power. The next time you look in the mirror, realize that the person staring back at you is more moral than the one person who is considered the most moral in history by the most number of people. That makes you better than a god. Think about that. You're my god, and so is the rest of humanity.
     
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    Too bad Jesus doesn't come down today and clear up much of this incredible amount of confusion. If you had his supposed super-powers, maat, would you do that? I would, how about you, maat? It would sure make the world a better place, that can't be argued, knowledge is a good thing, clearing up most of the confusion, you have to admit.
     
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    We don't even know if Heaven exists never mind trying to get in!

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    If Jesus is so powerless, then why beg ("pray") to him - instead, try to solve our own problems, and stop expecting an invisible wizard in the sky to magically help us.

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    If Jesus cared about keeping people out of hell, he'd of course have come down in the last 2000 years and further educate us about it, because the first time he SUCKED at convincing people that hell is real, as the majority of people in the world are not believers of his (only 2.1 out of every 7.2 people believe him.) Clearly not all-powerful. Pathetic, in fact, for an all-powerful being. Abysmal.
     
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    Well...today's religion is tomorrows Mythology.

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    Yes, Matthew 5:17-18. Showing that Jesus was not very ethical (just read page after page of immoral crap in the OT!)

    Preach it, brother!
     
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    Truer words were never spoken.
    Jesus is the new Zeus.
     
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    If he was the "truth" then he would have said "whoa, guys, this talking donkey and talking snake and a man living inside a fish for 3 days is not the truth, stop lying to the people!"
     
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    I have no issue with a person being religious or having faith.

    What I do have issue with is when such a person tries to inject their faith in government or in science.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    But faith is why we are in the beginning stages of WWIII right now (this endless war, which is also the longest in US history). Faith that a pedophile/murderer, with no evidence, is correct when he says that they magically get 72 virgins when they kill for his invisible friend in the sky to implement said friend's Sharia Law. An evidence-based person won't believe in that nonsense - it takes faith. Faith is dangerous, clearly.
     
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    There is no Hell. Hell was a creation of the medieval church to scare vikings and others who worshipped the Norse gods into converting. The names comes from Hel, the goddess of torture and chaos, who lived in a domain of fire.


    The Jews viewed punishment for sin to be not being allowed to be with god. If you sinned and did not repent, you were were not allowed to return to god. That is a far more moral view IMO. Christians tend to be good out of fear of punishment more than love of god or for the sake of being good.
     
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    There is no Hell. Hell was a creation of the medieval church to scare vikings and others who worshipped the Norse gods into converting. The names comes from Hel, the goddess of torture and chaos, who lived in a domain of fire.

    They used Lucifer to represent Hel in Christianity, and called his domain Hell so that the Norse would associate it with their own religion. Before this, Lucifer was not viewed as an evil being, and was a separate character from Satan. He was the angel of judgement and temptation who watched over humanity and wrote down their sins for judgement and tempted them to see if they truly were devout.


    The Jews viewed punishment for sin to be not being allowed to be with god. If you sinned and did not repent, you were were not allowed to return to god. That is a far more moral view IMO. Christians tend to be good out of fear of punishment more than love of god or for the sake of being good.
     
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    Read Galations 5:1-15

    As usual, you need to read more than the verse itself. It mentions twice that if you allow yourself to be circumcised. This represents your willingness to live under the law. I being circumcised or not does not matter. The chapter goes on to say that he came to free U.S. and that U.S. Loving our neighbors as ourselves replaces the law.
     
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    maat Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Salvation is clear. Living righteously is clear. He does not need to destroy faith in order to show you the path. It is his heaven, you are invited, you choose not to go.
     
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    Good one.
     
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    Didn't say he was powerless, just that he has delegated certain tasks. Like, who wants to hold down guard duty at the Pearly Gates?
     
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    I choose to follow SCIENCE, which if there is a god, he gave to us....why would he give us science, and reason, and common sense and then not expect us to use it! A talking donkey, talking snake, etc.....certainly not scientific.
     
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    "Gates"....surrounded by walls to keep out the riff-raff, like non-believers Gandhi, and Ben Franklin, and Einstein, etc......a loving belief system would not need gates to keep out moral people, with huge walls, like that who simply think differently than the king of the walled kingdom (Jesus.)
    Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!
    Mr. Jesus, tear down this wall!
    A tolerant person would tear down the wall, instead of building walls like the Soviets did in E. Berlin to keep freedom at bay, or the Jews (Israel) did to keep out the Muslims, or like Mr Trump wants to do to keep out the Mexicans.


    Jesus, tear down your wall so you don't need gates.
     

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