Would Jesus Sodomize Little Kids?

other then Mary.. she was only 12 and God\Jesus got her pregnant at 12

God/Jesus punished children for the acts of their parents, killing first borns, ect...

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/children.html

 

The historical and cultural era held women in low esteem in both Jewish and Greek culture. In Jewish law a woman was not a person, but a thing and were forbidden to even learn Jewish law, and segregated from men during worship. The Jewish morning prayer said by Jewish men would thank G-d that they were not created, “a Gentile, a slave, or a woman.” This is the religious paradigm Paul was writing from and Paul was a very famous Torah scholar. One can argue that Paul still retained this view of women, but he lived in a different historical time.

Paul may have a defense because if we examine the historical situation when Paul wrote his letters to the Churches at Corinth and Ephesus. Paul's rules were meant to distinguish Christianity for the mystery religions of his time.

The Greek culture treated women poorly also. The Greek mystery religions had strict laws of how women should behave, “A consecrated woman shall not have gold ornaments, nor rouge, nor face-whitening, nor a head-band, nor braided hair, nor shoes, except those made of felt or of the skins of sacrificed animals.” The dress code was very strict because women wore the symbols of mystery religions with their clothing and makeup. There were strict regulation of how a women could behave in Greek society. Lucius Mummius, a Roman general, captured Corinth in 146 B.C. and in 46 B.C. Julius Caesar rebuilt Corinth as a Roman colony. The Temple of Diana in Ephesus had hundreds of priestesses called “Melissae” or “bees” and they also engaged in state sanctioned prostitution. You can imagine who got the money from state ran prostitution.

In addition to these cultural mores, Corinth was the location of the Greek Temple of Aphrodite which had thousands of priestesses that were sacred prostitutes and performed their duties at the Acropolis. Corinth is where it is said in mythic Legend that Jason built the Argo in search of the golden fleece. Aelian, the Greek writer noted that every time a Corinthian appeared on the stage they were portrayed as drunk. Corinth was like....Washington D.C. today--one massive mafia whorehouse.

No! You would not.

Such historical information is not in the Bible which is why literal interpretation of the Bible is the height of stupidity. This is why we have fools like Kevin Swanson acting as a "Christian" minister and women are still treated like trash in the churches. One has to understand the historical and cultural context to know and is why we have the fake, counterfeit Christendom which is a is mockery of God and to take part in it is a crime against Christianity.

 

True, Paul was very well educated, from a wealthy family probably high in the Jewish aristocracy, possibly being groomed for a high position as a priest at Jerusalem.

And at times he did write with the Jewish context in mind when it was important to frame a message to a particular audience so the audience would understand.

But after converting to Christianity, Paul changed personally. Paul argued successfully that the Mosaic Law was not required for salvation. Paul chastised Peter (Galatians 2:11) because Peter acted hypocritically over unclean food.

Paul also worked with women and held them in high regard - Lydia and Priscilla are prominent. In fact, Paul held Priscilla in such high esteem that in his letters (Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Timothy) he wrote "Priscilla and Aquila" (husband second).

Clearly Paul had changed his ways and dropped the Mosaic Law from his life.

I agree. The context is important.

That's why I wrote "read and study". The Bible has to be read in the context of the time and place and language and culture in which it was written. The Bible is a wonderful book, but no English translation does it full justice, additional study is required.

 

Exactly - it is a clear example of claiming to adhere Levitical Law - but only in areas that one agrees with it. It is preposterous hypocrisy. Just like "Pizza Guy" .. who claimed he was justified in not providing Pizza to a gay wedding on the basis of his religious believe = belief in Levitical Law.

So here is a guy who works on Sundays - selling "Pork/Pepperoni" selling to adulterers and all manner of infidels - claiming to have some respect for Levitical law. "I can violate Levitical Law - as my business - and sell to violators of Levitical law (except this group).

Good grief this is hypocrisy on steroids.

 

LOL...I missed that point about Pork/Pepperoni. That a good observation.

If I was a business owner and refused service to a customer because I thought they were really a Christian fascist....the new Supreme Court ruling would support my discrimination.

 

1) I know the Bible far better than you do so .. nice try but a complete fail.
2) Pimps associate with women as well - this does not mean they are not mysogynists (silly argument) but I did, not use this term so why are you saying this.
3) Your comment on Paul Addressing a problem that was unique to Corinth "ONLY" is not supported and further - Paul also stated that women should not be religious teachers - teachers of the Law.
4) You completely ignored the other serious contradictions between Paul and Jesus.

5) Paul was not a member of the Church of Jerusalem nor did he have much association with the Disciples. Obviously the disciples were aware of Paul and at least some had met Paul (James and Peter for example) but, the degree to which Paul was "accepted" is a matter of considerable debate. We know that they argued and had doctrinal differences.

James ( known as the Brother of Jesus and Leader of the Church of Jerusalem) had serious issues with the Pauline doctrine of salvation on the basis of Faith alone - sans works.

He called the Pauline Christians who believed in that doctrine foolish "James 2: 20 "You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless"

Paul and the disciples did come to an agreement on the requirement for circumcision. They did not however see eye to eye on the far more important issue of deeds/works as a requirement for salvation.

 

Not sure I agree with this. The Baker case was far less clear cut and far more grey. The issue was not whether or not he should be able to not sell a product to a certain group. The issue was whether or not he should be forced to use his artistic talent to create a theme that was in violation of his religious belief.

The Baker was not refusing to sell the gay couple a cake (like in the case of the Pizza guy). .. what he did not want to do is create artwork on that cake. This issue is far more complicated than Pizza guy.

 

I did not make any of those distinctions--that's what I get for listening to the media. Some people were opposed to ruling at first and have changed their mind and think a contractor shouldn't be forced to work on a project they object to. So, yes. It is complicated.

 

As a matter of fact, the bible commanded the massacre of an entire captured city.... EXCEPT for virgin little girls. For some reason the little boys were expendable..., i guess this was before catholic priests recognized that even little boys had a sacramental function

 

Since fundamentalists seem not to make the distinction between Old and New Testament your point is valid. Christian Fascist really like the Old Testament. However, on the issue of child molestation. The problem is just a bad in the Protestant Churches, but since they are not as centralized as the Catholic Church, the pattern is not as clear. Girls are often the more common target in Protestant Churches.
Even taking into account the Rev. Leyva who became so well known among American Fundamentalist Christians that he even replaced Rev. Jimmy Swaggart with a weekly television show while Swaggart was off air dealing with a sex scandal.

The Rev. Leyva was discovered to have molested over 300 boys in Protestant Fundamentalist churches across the American South. Rev. Leyva molested more children than any single sexual predator discovered at the time and the record may still stand.

 

Virgin girls who were then turned into sex slaves At other times the Israelite's were commanded to kill everyone - including babies and children.

 

There is no evidence that Mary was 12 when she got knocked up. In the Jewish Babylon Talmud there's a story that says that David knocked up Bathsheba when she was 6. And it was perfectly acceptable under their rules to have sex with 3 year-olds. And don't forget, the age of consent was 7 in the USA in 1895.

 

must speak in terms of their perception back in the 'biblical' days, it was commonplace to wed and consummate the marriage with girls as young as 5 years old, so in their mind (perception) having sex with them was not harming them... you're using today's definition & perception of what harm is AND trying to apply it to texts written hundreds, if not thousands of years ago... so to respond to your post i say, yes the bible did condone molestation of children...

 

Evidence? Even if that was the case, keep in mind that at that point, people weren't living as long as they do now and so they consider 12 to be mature. People were marrying at 16 in the US until recently.

Take ome verse and I'll address it.

 

So they are worse than the fanatics once known as Mao Tse Tung, Joseph Stalin, and Pol Pot; all of whom leftists adored and made excuses for their hundreds of millions of victims? Marxism IS a leftist religion.

 

It poses an interesting ethical question
Is it better to keep the kids alive as sex slaves, or is it morally superior to kill them with their parents and the livestock

 

Paul was taught by Jesus? You must believe in the supernatural. I don't.

 

You have to separate the right/left ideologies from the degree to which the leaders exerted control over their populations...Hitler was a right-wing authoritarian, Stalin was a left-wing authoritarian. Chavez, for example, is left-wing but not that authoritarian while Bush was right-wing but not that authoritarian.

Here ya go! http://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2

 

No it wasn't commonplace. Girls didn't marry until after they began to menstruate.

 

guess you haven't read up on history, even in the great united states of america it was commonplace to wed a 7-10 year old girl, up until the 1920's... & in the middle east, they commonly wed/bed 3-5 year olds & women were considered property and had no rights, for centuries... where was that bible written, oh that's right, it was the middle east...

 

Life is normally preferable to death - depends on the person I suppose. Since both options are immoral - the God of the OT is depicted as immoral in both cases.

 

Old arguments that have been dealt with in this forum several times. I don't care how much you claim to know, you have not read the Bible.

 

If you think religion is simply supernatural myth, then why do you care what Christians and muslims believe? Why do you participate in religious discussions?

 

LOL what a lame and false response. I quoted from the Bible in my post. This sent you running to the playground crying (NO NO NO - you havn't read the Bible) prior to sticking head deep in the sandbox of denial.