Would you consider Ilhan Omar as an Islamist?

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    Omar is a racist of Israel, for example, and doesn't belong on any congressional committees which oversee American government ventures with Israel, for example.

    The people of America have made it clear they want Israel to exist. Omar, however, doesn't share that view that Israel has the right to exist because she's an Islamist, a Sunni Muslim, and therefore Omar doesn't share in the view of Israel by Americans.
     
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    To be fair, I never heard about her exact positioning about Israel and its right to exist. I heard some statements of her which show some hostility towards Israel which she compared to the Taliban (which doesnt surprise me), but never heard if she really denies the right of existence of the Israeli state. Is there material about it? Articles? Maybe debates you can watch? What I know for sure, many states the so called progressives wanna pamper like Cuba , etc. are states which deny Israel a right to exist.

    In the OP I just chose the most obvious and inacceptable statements and didnt wanna widen it, because you see how eager some people are to confuse even these clear remarks.
     
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    She's a Sunni Muslim. She'll allow Israel to exist as long as it doesn't interfere with Sunni Muslim principles...And two Sunni Muslim principles are (1) being authoritarian (demanding your way, always, for example) (2)Israel succumbing to Sunni Muslim principles.
     
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    and of course "they" would counter the election was thrown by weaponized government agencies that we know withheld pertinent information by intimidation from voters. The big one being Hunter's laptop.
     
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    Wingnut conspiracy theories are a poor excuse for trying to overthrow democracy.
     
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    No conspiracy.....proven fact. In fact, they did it. Not just "try".
     
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    The FBI just giving social media a heads-up and letting them do what they want with that info is a non-story. The Trumpist anti-democracy party is desperate.
     
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    Arguing semantics is not effective in politics. Let's just say that she is anti-American like the rest of the squad.
     
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    And like Trump and those who continue to support him. Sounds like a plan.
     
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    True but it avoids the issue. The issue is that government tries to censor speech by using a business since they can't do it directly. Just saying that it is misinformation avoids the point entirely. It may not be misinformation. For sure it is information that the government wants spread whether they state it or not. It couldn't be more obvious. Hope that helps you understand the other side of the argument.
     
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    Providing info and letting the business make their own decision isn't "censorship." Hell, the WH under Trump asked Twitter to remove content and you appear to have no problem with that.
     
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    If the question is whether or not she is "islamist" then why would you answer it by talking about something else? That's a deflection, and common on politics, but it fails to answer the question.

    She can be many things, including stupid and ignorant, but is doesn't mean she is "islamist". You have to meet certain criteria in order to qualify as an "islamist".
     
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    Heads up from FBI is intimidation....believe me. It was a complete heads up lie calling it "Russian Disinformation" when they knew it themselves to be true. You just want to give them a pass because it suits your ideology. If it was an attempt to silence media on information that acquitted Biden of his crimes.... you can bet your sweet a"@ you'd be all over it!
     
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    True, it is an attempt to censor. Same thing.
     
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    I don't see the point in arguing semantics. I thought that opinion was clear. The two of you are arguing from different definitions of the term. That is pointless.

    I haven't even used the term "islamist" in my posts. I don't argue the point. Your view is as good as the other. I just think you should get together on a definition before you debate it.
     
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    Pardon me, but why should you stick to that, when she is most obviously an Islamist.

    When some moronic child comes into the forum and says "Listen, you all play after my rules now, I have nothing to say to this topic, I just define its different and you all lie", why should I follow where this is going to.

    If somebody is apologetic about Hitler all the time, makes racist and anti-Semite remarks all the time, expressing extreme hatred for the victims of the Nazis he is most likely a Nazi. Its a reasonable assumptions even if I cannot scan his brain while he is reading "Mein Kampf".

    When someone is apologetic about Islamist terror all over the world expressing her disgust or even hatred for the victims she is most likely an Islamist, if I have a brain scan while she is reading the Quran or not.

    That doesnt mean you are wrong, of course she is anti-American, a land widely led by infidels, having a society maximized individual rights instead of Islam. Of course she hates America, but for the simple reason she is an Islamist.
     
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    The summary of the incidents which lead to the statement given in the OP did neither label her as stupid nor particularly ignorant when it isnt necessary for her Islamist world view. Its indicating that she is an Islamist. But hey, you found your arguments, I made this all up. With the help of the American right-wingers, with the Armenians who fabricated a genocide just to spread Islamophobia, with the help of "India today", with the help of the Jews. All this collaboration to fabricate lies against Ilhan Omar, perfectly clear.
     
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    Then what is your answer to the question "Is Omar an islamist" and explain your opinion. The OP claims she is an "islamist" because of her comments about certain historical events. Most people agree that an islamist is someone who wants to involve fundamentalist islamic laws (sharia) into law and politics, and in this case it would be US laws, since she is an US Congress rep.

    That's why you have been off-topic from the start. You go on about off-topic issues like FBI and censorship and then you criticize those who discuss the topic.

    No one said they were your words. I associated those words to her.
     
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    So, when she supports Islamists like Erdogan, thats of course no indication for her own attitude, cause Erdogan is no US politician. That sounds right. ISIS fighters who went to Syria and the Iraq to fight for ISIS are by the way only Islamists when they are in Syria or Iraq, as soon as they re-enter US soil they are no Islamists anymore.
     
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    Indeed. What is more anti-American than putting a seditious demagogue and his malignant narcissist bullshit ahead of their country?
    People like mtg, gaetz, and the maga lapdogs in Congress are infinitely more anti-American than Omar.
     
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    Lol, yes, of course for that she supports Erdogan who wants to strip women from equal rights and take back the Istanbul Convention. Thats why she is white-washing the Taliban which she compares to the US or Israeli givernment. The same Taliban who wont allow girls to go to school anymore. Sure, women's equality, really funny.

    Where did she promote it?

    And the bullshit list goes on, an Indian "India Today" reporter ... a white supremacist, for sure. Of course. Nancy Pelosi who critizized her for her anti-Semitic remarks a White supremacist, for sure. Its impressive what degree of bullshit the typical consumer of Western MSM has to refer to, to whitewash the stars of the media like Ilhan Omar.
     
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    Would you consider Ilhan Omar as an Islamist?
    Yes. DUH!!
     
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    Which is what the 'squad' does. This is why I have been asking why people consider her an 'islamist'.

    In order to discuss such things, a definition mush exist, and I provided several and asked if she fits the bill. The Taliban ARE islamists since they believe in fundamentalist view of islam and want to implement political and legal system based on the sharia law.

    One day they call her woke and the next day she is an islamist. IMO the two things are mutually exclusive.
     
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    You are purposefully taking comments out of context in order to misrepresent Representative Omar.

    The USA supports various actions taken by countries who do not always have great behavior on all issues. When SA takes action we like, we in the US mention those acts as being positive. That can not be taken as US support for their treatment of women or LGBTQ or abortion or any other issue.

    Our entire government supports actions and leaders who are flawed in various ways. This world is not built on the perfect - it is built on the possible.

    YOU know that she does NOT support Islamists.

    Yet, you suck up that white nationalist BS of yours and spew it out as if you actually believe it.
     
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    Exactly. They want her to be "woke" (by their definition!!) AND be an Islamist!!!

    That's the most silly convergence imaginable.
     

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