Would you consider Ilhan Omar as an Islamist?

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  1. Pro_Line_FL

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    Ok, that's not too far from that I said.

    Is her agenda to apply narrow interpretation of sharia law in the US.

    I said from the beginning that she is an islamist if she fits the definition of one, but its not her agenda is it? As a matter if fact she speaks against the application of sharia law in places like Afghanistan.
     
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    As a matter of fact, she speaks against the application of certain interpretations of sharia law in places like Afghanistan. The Taliban don't follow mainstream Muslim Brotherhood ideology, but they are close to the competition - al-Qaeda, the extremist offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, the followers of Sayyid Qutb. Of course she's not on their side.

    The Muslim Brotherhood routinely use the language of human rights to get their points across. Emotional manipulation is their weapon of choice.

    Remember her Islamophobia bill? Why would anyone try to create a governmental body whose sole purpose is to defend Islam and its followers all over the world?
     
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    Ilhan is truly despicable. I would say she's in it for the power and money...and pretending to be Muslim is pretty easy for her I imagine because it helps her victim status with the political group. The woman....in my opinion...has a lot of evil in her heart. Power, greed, hatred...its all there.

    When she fed millions of campaign dollars to herself via her boyfriend and future husband...that pretty much laid out her character. How anyone can support her with what we know....is beyond me. But corruption is so prevalent in the foundation of Washington I guess she's a good fit for that culture.

    WsJ has gathered it together in this article.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/ilhan-...s-committee-republicans-minnesota-11675803051
     
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    Is her agenda to apply narrow interpretation of sharia law in the US?
     
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    I doubt that many posters here have spent much time in Somalia. I have. It is the home of extreme and repugnant prejudices.
     
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    Ok, but is Omar's agenda to apply narrow interpretation of sharia law in the US?
     
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    I have no idea. Her words and actions are not incompatible with that.
     
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    Either she is asking for US to implement sharia law or she isn't, and it doesn't look like she is.

    Its easy to label people as islamists or communists or whatever, but there is easy to way to find out if they fit the bill.
     
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    You're asking the wrong question. If, as her actions seem to indicate, Omar is indeed a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, then the question should be "is Muslim Brotherhood's agenda to apply narrow interpretation of sharia law in the US?". The answer is, of course, yes. Their ultimate goal is global domination.
     
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    Correct. I didn't discuss the topic. I criticized an argument. You criticized my comment. What is the problem?
     
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    Derailing a thread with off-topic posts is a problem, but what the heck.....carry on corporal.
     
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    Its the only question which would reveal if she is an islamist or not. Her comments against sharia law would indicate that she is not pushing for sharia law in US.

    Having said that, feel free to call her whatever you want.
     
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    I will sir.
     
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    It isnt. Anti-Semite conspiracy theories about the Jews controlling the US policy arent acceptable no matter what your positioning about Israel is. I gave the exact statement I had problems with, the strategy of her suppporters is, to confuse the issue and try to take the discussion away from the anti-Semitic remarks to her positioning towards Israel.


    1.The context is there given in the sources no matter how hard their supporters try to focus on something else (e.g. by responding to her anti-Semitic conspiracy theories of Jews controlling the US policy via their money by starting new discussions if or if not her positioning towards Israel is legitimate or inacceptable, thats not the topic).
    2. Its strange to hear from the "but the Republicans" faction here that you can have a bad day in your life, because it seems to be a projection. They themselves stick to labels they will never back off if someone says something they call out as racist, etc., however I did not do that. I gave you 4 very different examples in 4 different geopolitical and political contexts; every single one of it shows deep despise of the victims of Islamistic violence.
    You are talking like I try to judge her after a choleric rant in a heated discussion, for which she apologized 24 hours later without any public pressure and me being unforgiven "but remember way back then, she said...", but thats not the case.

    I am neither saying she is the only nor the most dangerous extremist in America. As written in the OP, it came from a discussion in which someone was celebrating a Guardian article smearing the Republicans as fascists and even democrats who dont withdraw from them trying to isolate and fight them were attacked heavily, while sitting on the Guardian moral high ground. Basically everyone who is not 100% following the "progressives". So I gave one example which politicians/positions are cheered by the Guardian and who the woke MSM has no problems to get in bed with. Deniers of the Armenian genocide, allies of Turkish Islamists, anti-Semites whose solidarity with women of colour suddenly ends when its about Hindu or non-radical Muslim women who are targeted by Muslim militants.

    It's not about Ilhan Omar having the opportunity to overthrow the US constitution establishing the Sharia Law.
     
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    Glücksritter Well-Known Member

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    The idea that nowadays deniers of the Armenian genocide, Islamists, Turkish fascists etc. must be acting as complicits in a genocide which happened over 100 years ago is rather ridiculous. Thats the same as "refuting" the accusation of someone being a Nazi with the argument he was no direct complicit in the Holocaust. Or that if someone wasnt there in Bethlehem with Mary and Joseph or at least when the New Testimony was written cannot be a Christian fundamentalist.

    I dont know if she is cute or not, the colour of her scarf is at least tasteful. I could understand your suggestion and would be guilty if it was about AOC, but Ilhan Omar? Wtf!
     
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    Of course, she can think og Hindu as subhumans or whatever she wants. Technically this doesnt make her a traitor of the US. It just demonstrates that her so called concern for women of colour is fake. It depends on other factors. Which also concerns the MSM which celebrated her.
     
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    The sources are given in the OP, some of them you can follow to twitter or records of Congress debates. To label CNN or India Today as White Nationalist BS speaks for itself.
     
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    That is unsupportable nonsense.

    What you have been suckered by is right wing stormfront type nonsense that attempts to smear by taking statements entirely out of context.
     
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    Stormfront like like CNN or India Today. Absolutely ridiculous! It lacks by the way basic logic to claim that her statements are made up by white supremacy fakers, when she e.g. apologized for her anti-Semitic remarks, when the pressure by her own party got too strong. You dont apologize for something you didnt say. The game the Oman-supporters are playing here is absolutely pathetic.

    But ok, I dont see any valid explanation or excuse for what she said, so its no wonder, Omar-fans can just deny that she said, what she said, how ridiculous the argument might be.
     
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    Is there a source with her ties to the Muslim Brotherhood? That would be pretty interesting.
     
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    You can take people's comments out of context and make them look insane.

    Sorry for you, Omar has a SOLID history of being a strong backer of America, our democracy and against terrorism.
     
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    Glücksritter Well-Known Member

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    Which comment I gave in the OP is out of context? Which source is a White supremacy source as you claimed earlier? What exactly is taken out of context?

    White supremacists seem to agree with her when it comes to her anti-Semite conspiracy theories.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/mar/7/david-duke-praises-rep-ilhan-omar/
     
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    First thing first: CAIR, an organization openly supported by, and supportive of, Ilhan Omar, was named an unindicted co conspirator in the Holy Land Foundantion trial. CAIR's ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and its terrorist offshoot Hamas are well documented.
    https://www.fpri.org/docs/media/201112.vidino.muslimbrotherhood.pdf

    Yes, there are sources about Omar's ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. Ilhan Omar herself is such a source.

    Ilhan Omar on Why It's Important to Support CAIR


    She's been groomed for national office by CAIR since 2017. She's been a regular speaker at CAIR events since 2019.
    https://www.jns.org/opinion/the-secret-history-of-ilhan-omar/

    Here's a list of donations Ilhan Omar received from Islamist organizationd. At least two (CAIR and ISNA) are tied to the Muslim Brotherhood's network in the US.
    https://www.meforum.org/islamist-watch/money-politics/recipient/682/

    There are also the testimonies of anti-Islamist pro-reform Muslims like Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, president of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, or the American-Iranian journalist Masih Alinejad.
    https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com...cle_0346c6c0-45f5-5db7-96d7-9d2b8eb80481.html

    An analysis of Ilhan Omar's antisemitism:
    https://www.newsweek.com/ilhan-omar...ggaPERyX7VB6I2-xwJlKDUAnqJeJtnUJnJxHo7cWzrGlI
     
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    It is absolutely allowed for Islamists to keep a low profile, when they have noe political majority behind them. By some Islamist organizations its even encouraged. The Muslim Brotherhood would be a perfect example.

    It absolutely makes no sense to connect the term Islamism to US inner policy. Your whole definitions and criteria are utter nonsense.

    An American Isis fighter who killed infidels in Syria or Iraq would be no Islamist anymore after he returns to the US and is not announcing his ambitions to overthrow the government and install Sharia Law in the US.

    Your definition would deny Islamism as such, you could not label Bin Laden, Boko Haram or the Taliban as Islamists then, cause they hardly demanded that the US installed Sharia Law.
     
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    Thanks for the sources for her ties with the Muslim Brotherhood.

    The analysis of her anti-Semitism makes sense, but its only due to the fact that the accusation people know more about anti-Semitism than e.g. the policy of the Ottomans towards the Armenians that they are on higher alert. Its still an analysis and a comment. If Ilhan Omar would keep it that subtle such analysis would be necessary, but she doesn't when its not about anti-Semitism, where she learned to be careful.

    Her statements about the genocide of the Armenians mirrors exactly the position of Holocaust deniers about the Holocaust. This "We need free speech to research whether or not there was a Holocaust" is exactly the argument of Holocaust deniers which she copies and applies to the Armenian genocide. There is not subtlety, nothing to analyze or unmask. Its just what it says. And as one can see here, her followers have nothing left but simply deny what she said, although she said it in public and you can prove it.
     

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