Would You Lie For Trump?

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Would you lie for Trump?

  1. Yes, I will do what he asks.

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  2. No, I would draw the line.

    53.8%
  3. Maybe, depends on the circumstances.

    30.8%
  4. ....other....

    11.5%
  1. Baff

    Baff Well-Known Member

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    I am a Brit.
    Islamists are wussies.

    "**** you I'm from Millwall" springs to mind.

    There is no freedom without willingness to fight for it.
    No domination of your enemies to be achieved from cowardice.

    Who dares wins.
    If you aren't willing to sacrifice, you are going to have to become an Islamist yourself.
    I'll take war. And between you and me, it is a war I expect to win.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You sound like a fine young man full of testosterone. I'm sure that the British Army or even the SAS could use a strapping scraper like you.

    Course dominating the schoolyard isn't quite the same thing when the other guy has a gun too.
     
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    No guns dominating our schoolyards. Just me.

    "**** you I'm from Millwall" wasn't a soldier or even a school teacher like me, he was a football hooligan.
    And he is a better role model for our society than you. He did not run.

    So you can feel all superior and cry out against the spirit of heroism.
    To knock people who aspire to stand up in the defence of others.
    But I will continue to advocate for it, to encourage it and live up to it.

    You will continue to fear us. To hate us because you know it is you we stand against.
    That your rule, is denied you by us.
     
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    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    That reminds me of the time I was invited to a dinner meeting with Bush Jr when he was President. I was registered as an Independent but apparently my LLC got me the invitation. He said it was something like $1000 a plate.

    I told them they would have to pay me a lot more than that!

    Hell no I wouldn't work for traitor trump.
     
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  5. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You really do have some issues it seems. I don't believe you are a school teacher or at least a working one.

    Who ran, where? I don't fear you in the slightest. If you are what I suspect you are, then you are damn right I hate you and the ideology you choose.
     
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    Because blind hate is what you are about.

    You ideology will never rule. Hate all you like.
     
  7. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No I am not nearly as simple as that. I do hate, but it sure as hell ain't blind.

    I have no problem admitting to my bigotries. Bigotries that are not predicated on ones' accident of birth but the ideology one CHOOSES to adopt.

    You espouse an ideology that is on my list of bigotries. Ergo you have "earned" my hate.

    Looks like you are uncomfortable being the subject of my hatred. Perhaps you now have a very small idea of how the subjects of your hatreds feel.

    But probably not. Never known any of your kind to possess enough wisdom and self awareness, despite all their bullying bravado.
     
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    I hate everyone equally.
     
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    that makes it easy.
     
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    It is blind.
    You are actively looking for people to hate.

    So many of your posts are littered with paranoia.
    Veiled hints that you think the person not agreeing with you is some kind of evil worthy of your hatred.
    It is your default assumption of anyone who disagree's with you.

    I am not especially uncomfortable with your hatred.
    I feel sympathy for you. Pity.
    I think that it is your loss to feel this way in a world that is so bright and full of love.
    I hope that things in your life turn around for the better.
     
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    I still cannot figure why anyone would work for the man. He demands unflinching, unswerving absolute and total loyalty past anything, including your own deepest interests and ethics, and in return will throw you under the bus and then back the Greyhound up just to be sure at the first opportunity, no, not really opportunity, whim. I have seen him ruin people who were good and true workers for no other reason I could discern than that he could. He is, without any doubt, the most TOXIC individual I have seen in High Office ever in the USA
     
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    Sounds like every other job then.
     
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    Wouldn't you rather be a live eagle?

    Mind you that could just be us Aussies - we have a tendency to tell the truth and bugger the consequences
     
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    You better get busy, YouTube has a **** load of stupid Aussies acting like fools.
     
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    lol Democrats jumped at the chance, and now they pretend they didnt....

     
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    Your willingness to die only makes you dead, not stronger. I don't have to bow to you if you're dead

    "I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor, dumb bastard die for his country." General Patton (possibly misattributed)
     
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    If you aren't willing to die, like General Patton and all his soldiers were, you won't get the chance to kill me.
    You will have to leave when I turn up.
    If you are willing to lay down your life for your beliefs, then sure, it may turn out that you kill your enemy instead of your enemy killing you.
    If not, a cowards life is yours and all that comes with it. Subservience.

    Many people aren't willing to die.
    And so violence and the threat of violence cows them.
    Governments prey on this weakness. Fear of the police.
    Do as you are told or we will come for you.
    Sympathisers in this thread will threaten prison and so on.

    But the only thing a bully respects is force.
    You don't even have to win, you just have to be a harder target than the others.
    More effort than you are worth.
     
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    Now that is funny.

    I get that I am not your average bigot. My bigotries are intellectually driven (with the exception of pedophiles). My bigotries are directed at certain ideologies and the individuals who CHOOSE to adopt and champion them.

    I channel my hatreds, most of my disdain and disgust towards the ideology and their followers. I accept I am human and am full of bias, so it struck me that the least I could do was turn those weaknesses into something useful by channeling them into confronting a defined group of ideologies and their purveyors. It is both therapeutic and rather intellectual satisfying.

    But I gotta laugh at your "so bright and full of love", after the rather pathetic declarations of your death wish and alpha male braggadocio. Full of brightness and love while you stomp on your fellow students heads. good one.

    Oh BTW , I looked up your Milwall reference. Soccer hooligan or not, of whatever political stripe, that dude earned a billion respect points from me. And I can't say there are many other head bangers I have respected, if any. Thanks for the ref.
     
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    Personally ideas alone, thoughts in your head or mine are not things that I will fight over.
    My triggers are all physical in nature. Real.
    Property and people.

    That which I seek to protect.
    If you do not see a world full of beauty, I still do.
    I look for the good in people not the bad.

    That which I kill I do not usually hate.


    I respect all those headbangers willing to fight. Every hero who fights for my freedom and the freedom of those I love.
    I encourage this.
    Monsters exist. Enemies exist.
    They are real. A man must be ready.
    A man who is not? Just a child.

    And yes, I am an alpha. If you try and rule me, I will rule you.
    Battle will be given if battle is what it takes.

    If you will not respect me as a person of love who lives his life by good intention, action and principles. If you will not respect me as a man...
    then you will respect me as a large animal.

    If that is all my ideology reduces me to you, then that is enough.
     
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    You;ll have to forgive me, but you sound like a teenager with raging hormones.

    On the one hand you claim a death wish. Then on the other you are full of love and the beauty of life.
    You claim you love yet you spout visions of physical dominance over your "enemies" as if they directly threaten you.

    And no, I won't ever respect a human who thinks of himself as a large animal. I most likely commit the poor bastard. Because large rabid animals are ALWAYS shot.
     
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    absolutely not
     
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    Gee the libs sure do their best to try and tie the label "liar" on Trump. Imagine the shock a politician told a lie.

    Did anyone hear "I didn't have sex with that woman", or "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor".

    Just this morning, I told my neighbor lady that she looked ravishing. She probably hasn't looked ravishing since she was 30 and that was 60 years ago. I also told the parish priest that I would be happy to chair the group assigned to raise money for new football uniforms. It was 10 o'clock and I was already down two lies. And that's now counting agreeing my wife that she needed another sun dress. The 200 that she already has are obviously not enough. And please don't ask me to go back and explain when I used to work in sales. I will surely burn in hell.

    Do any of you actually know anyone who does not lie?
     
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    This one is able to shoot back mate. Your will to commit is not matched by your ability.

    The world is a beautiful place. Unfortunately according to you there is no place in it for the likes of me.
    I have no value or self worth but for the love of others.
    My life is not worth more than your life. But the lives of those I love, are.
    And I will dominate all who I perceive to threaten them. Even you with all you superiority and maturity.

    You are not a threat to me. Should you ever make yourself one, if I can't avoid you entirely, I will disable your ability to threaten me.
    But feel free to come and shoot me any time. Your will to do so, will not make me bow to you. Sorry.

    You will never respect me? What a ****ing surprise. You think of me as a rabid animal that needs to be shot? What a ****ing surprise. Untermenschen in your eyes.
    **** you, I'm from Cambridge.
     
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    Your assumptive ability seems as small as you think your balls are big.

    If you aren't a chronical logical teenager, you sure act like one.

    You won't dominate me. I'm sure you can physically beat up a 65 year old man, but short of killing me, you'll find out that some of us old men, can fight back in far more subtle and effective ways.

    A gorilla ain't much of a thinker.

    Nope I will never respect you for the ideology you hold and your testosterone fueled "noble" bullshit. Like I said, been here and done that some 50 years ago. That is what being a bigot is all about afterall, or haven't you figure that out about yourself either?

    And I totally agree that I am no physical threat to you. My strength and power comes from my intellect, not my muscles. Its my ideology that threatens yours.

    YOU are the one that claimed "you will respect me as a large animal." I merely drew upon your own analogy with a truism.

    AS for untermenschen or ubermenschen, I leave that to you and your testosterone.
    In my view, the measure of the man is not the accident of his birth, but the content of his character. (to paraphrase MLK) .

    If untermenschen means people of lilliputian and corrupt character, then we are starting to approach a definition that I could use.
     
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    Oh fer.....

    Yeh , everybody lies, but Trump lies all the ****** time. He prefers lying to telling the truth

    And Trump lies right in your face. He will stand outside in the full moonlight and tell you the sun is shining and acts like you should believe it.

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/donald-trump-lies-liar-effect-brain-214658

    It there's anything I REALLY hate about the man it's the fawning lickspittlles he has around him. The Baghdad Bobs who try to tell you his inauguration was the largest in history, or repeat "no collusion" over and over as more and more people are arrested..

    Trump expects the people around him to lose all the credibility they will ever have in any other job, forever, and your reward for this will be to have him call you into the Oval Office one day; "Anon, this is Anon Too, he's your replacement, He and I are going to **** you right up the wazoo now and then the Secret Service are going to kick you into the Rose Garden and give you a running start before they use you for target practice, after that you can expect to be thoroughly demonized by myself and the Party as part of the "Deep State" forever. Thank you for your service and drop those trousers."
     
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