Would you sit back and let a crime happen when you could prevent it safely?

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  1. Greatest I am

    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

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    Only if I were the god Christians present in most mainstream versions of Christianity.
     
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    A crime against my family, NO! But if I saw two gang-bang'n welfare monkeys trying to kill each other, I'd make popcorn...
     
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    God is cool with dashing babies against rocks (in Proverbs), so obviously, CLEARLY, we are more moral than that maniac.
     
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    Jesus, is that you!?
    That's exactly what Jesus does (sit on his hands when a preventable crime is about to take place), so I'm thinking that you might be Jesus.

    PS if you don't believe in evolution - Jesus didn't, then I'm REALLY thinking that you might be Jesus.
     
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    Have a Coke and a Smile, Dude! Laugh a little. The fact of the matter is, you would'nt interfere either, if you saw two gangbangers messing each other up, and you likely would defend your own family. As far as Jesus goes, who ever claimed to be as good as him? Certainly not I, brother.
     
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    As long as I'm safe, why not? Maybe the saved gangbanger could do me a good turn someday. Now if the slightest danger to me is involved then it's a different story. I'd protect my family but no one else.
     
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    Depends, but yeah, I once stopped a guy shooting bottle rockets into a sidewalk crowd in Paris on Bastille Day. That would qualify as an assault in the USA. Don't know what it is in France.

    He thought I was insane taking away his bottle rockets and breaking them, but somebody had to do something. The French of course wouldn't even make eye contact with him.
     
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    When Jesus returns he's going to torture everyone, destroy the environment, kill all life, and blow up the planet. He's a very bad dude.
     
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    If I knew I could defend myself as well as intervene in a crime...Damn straight I would!
     
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    Strange, I've read the complete Bible, several versions of it, cover to cover, at least 25 times. I'm in Jeremiah currently. I've never read anywhere where Jesus was coming back to torture people, destroy the environment and blow up the planet. Surely you are referring to the rather ambiguous End Times prophesies, likely the book of Revelation, but I've never seen it written in quite the ugly terms with the ugly motivations that you ascribe to Him.

    Tell me, Mother Theresa, who's Jesus was she following when she committed her entire life to the betterment of the disenfranchised around the world? Mine or yours? When my wife and I adopted a 10yr. old special needs child out of a hellacious State run childrens home, who's Jesus were we following, mine or yours? What is the best thing you have ever done selflessly, anonomously, for another person?

    BTW, did you get fingered behind the altar somewhere, or something???
     
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    God didn't write Proverbs, a person did, and that person was crying out in anguish against a conquering, invading army, after having seen their children slaughtered in the streets. If this were a modern day Palestinian saying the same damn thing, you'd be applauding him and sending him relief money.

    You should stop while you're ahead, you're making yourself look stupid as well as ignorant!
     
  13. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Since everything is illegal somewhere in America you will be a very busy busybody ratting everyone out.
     
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    Then you would not be a good example to follow.

    Nice that you recognize that.

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    A double standard of morality is hardly a good moral sense.

    That is what Christians have developed so that they can forgive their god for doing what they would condemn a man for doing.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    A balanced thoughtful approach. I like that.

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    DL

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    Knowing a bit of the French attitudes, this surprises me. Good for you though.

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    If we all did as you would, there would be a lot less crime.

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    DL
     
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    Luke 19:27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.

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    I agree that the U.S. legal system is garbage.

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    I don't understand your response. Are you suggesting that the average person would not try to stop a crime if they could?...or at least if they felt like they had a means to defend themselves in the process? I have faith that helping one's fellow man (especially in need) is a wired DNA trait given from GOD.
     
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    There are laws on the books I do not morally agree with, thus I cannot honestly state I would try to prevent someone from committing them. If however said crime would result in damage or pain for another...I would do so.

    It is illegal to smoke weed...I do not care enough to interfere in the life of a stranger.
     
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    Mother Teresa was a master con artist. If hell exists she should be in it. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/2008/05/mother-teresa/

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2003/10/mommie_dearest.html

    http://knowledgenuts.com/2013/09/27/mother-teresa-was-a-crook-and-a-fraud/

    I'm sure that you are a better person than she was even though I don't know anything about you.

    Since you've read the Bible so many times you must know the Ten Commandments. What are they? In Matthew 2:11 the wise men from the East gave baby Jesus gifts. In Matthew 26:7 a woman poured some very costly fragrant oil on Jesus' head. Which of the Ten Commandments were they following?

    In Matthew 6:1-4 Jesus said that a person shouldn't blow his own horn when he does a charitable deed but that he should keep it secret. So why are you blowing your horn about adopting a special needs child? Do you want us to give you some pats on your back and tell you what a great thing you did? Remember what Jesus said in Matthew 7:26-27 about what will happen to people who don't follow his commandments. Bragging about your "good deeds" will get you a spot in the lake of fire.
     
  20. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    So a man wrote the best advice in the entire Bible when he wrote Proverbs 1:10-19. It's a lot better than the stuff God wrote.
     
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    First place I thought secularism isn't a set belief system. Second, Richard Dawkins said that Christianity is the bulwark of something far worse, and third to answer your question he gave us free will. Also what he allows or doesn't allows is to our benifit. It's either to get our attention or to strengthen us for a future event.
     
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    Not everywhere is it a crime now, and even if it was, why should anyone care ? and I was a Police Officer, even outside the U.S. , and simply smoking Marijuana just has never been a big Woof to get so darn worked up over anyway......

    Now to prevent a Murder or Rape, that is another matter entirely.....

    I was once in a Country called San Dorinde, a nice warm tropical climate, riding a motorcycle, because that is what I like, a friend had recommended I visit a Stadium that was being rebuilt, because that is what I like, I heard some muffled sounds, and in some bushes, a small clearing, two girls where tied up and gagged, there was a Trollish looking guy squatting down sharpening a knife, I untied the girls as quietly as I could, the ropes were really knotted in places, and I cut those ones carefully with My sheathed knife.

    I motioned the girls to be quiet, as I was loosing the second girl, the older one snatched the knife away and ran over to the Troll Guy and finished him, I was completely Confounded even Dumbfounded, she came back and told me why, then it made sense to Me then, I gave them a ride home and their parents made a feast in my honor.

    It is stuff like that one tries to prevent if possible.
     
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    Not necessarily.
     
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    Huh ? what does that mean ???
     
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    It depends on the crime.
    If they're smoking a joint,I don't care.
    If they're robbing an elderly man, I do care.
     

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