Yawn- Shroud of Turin Authentic, say the Italians

qui, moi ?

Now you are sounding like your afore mentioned 'meanie pie'...

 

Getting more and more off topic aren't we? Go ahead and think what you like about my personality. I'd say i don't mind, but you presumably won't believe me, so let's just say that personalities are very much secondary to facts in a debate. There are no facts showing the Turin shroud to be divine in origin.

 

What? You cant tell that 'I like you?!'

My 1st post can be summarized as: "I dont know, and I dont care" if it is real or a fake..as doesnt affect my faith 1 iota!

 

Aw, I like you too. Group hugs everyone!

It's cool that you don't really care about it's authenticity. But if it was authentically divine in origin that would be kind of a big deal for someone who doesn't think anything supernatural is true. If it's just authentically the burial shroud of a guy called Jesus who had disciples, that wouldn't change much though.

 

1st of all,. "I be Scuttish"...as in a "Mc" and nick named Mac in the military!

But no matter what the findings, 'unbelievers' will do their best to discredit it. It's in their best interest to!

Which is no matter, as a person's faith shud not rest on such as if/when it is discredited in the future, "will their faith then fail?!'

 

Heh, it's always amusing to see how Scottish people are portrayed abroad. My guess is that the speech and mannerisms were different during the highland clearances when large numbers of scots moved abroad.


Anyways, no doubt there would be a number of diehards who wouldn't accept findings even if they were watertight. But nothing about the origin of the shroud is even close to watertight at this stage.

 

There is some Scottish brogue that is almost non-understandable to me--like the guy of the Science Channel (?). I lived 1 yr in England, and can 'get' most Brit/Irish & also Aussie accents...but the thick brogue of some Scots is altho 'enchanting,' but is close to 'muffled dog barking'

Btw, I had a 2 hr refuel stopover in Prestwick..does that count for 'being in Scotland?!!'

Dont really know about the Shroud as I've seen several programs that go back & forth, pending what the intent of the team examining is. But there have also been: the imprint of Jesus bloody/sweaty face as one of the stations of the cross where a woman gave Him to wipe during his march up to Golgotha; His crown of thorns (easily manufactured!), of course the 'Holy Grail,' and a piece of His cross (I think with His blood on it) also easily manufactured.etc. All cannot be verified in general...

 

Bingo...I am part Scot myself mother's side.

 

Haha, yeah, I even heard that there are so many "fragments of the cross" out there that they could make several crucifixes with all that wood

I've had a lot of people tell me that I sound 'wellspoken' or even 'posh' for a scotsman. I think that means that English people can actually understand me most of the time

 

I'll stick with selling Holy Water...easier to do anywhere [I also have holey underwear (but not the Mormon kind)]

 

There was no evidence of Jesus' body in the tomb, Prof. Haven't you heard?

 

I see what you did there.

 

Risen from what?

 

Risen from the death that he, being god, is invulnerable to, that he had to undergo in order to sacrifice himself to himself in order for himself to convince himself to let people into heaven. Surely you know this story?

 

Sure glad I set you straight today!

Did they kick you out of the Scottish Rite church for being 'unfunny?'

 

Sorry, I obviously touched a nerve.

 

What? Did I need to add more 'smileys?!" I can dish & take...no sensitivity here, Lad...

 

I think you missed what I was getting at. But never mind.

 

Oh, was that a 'lame' attempt of throwing my words to you back in my face....Ha (I'll give you just one for that!)

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/rel...-Shroud-is-Christs-authentic-burial-robe.html

"The double image (front and back) of a scourged and crucified man, barely visible on the linen cloth of the Shroud of Turin, has many physical and chemical characteristics that are so particular that the staining ... is impossible to obtain in a laboratory," concluded experts from Italy's National Agency for New Technologies, Energy and Sustainable Development.

The scientists set out to "identify the physical and chemical processes capable of generating a colour similar to that of the image on the Shroud." They concluded that the exact shade, texture and depth of the imprints on the cloth could only be produced with the aid of ultraviolet lasers – technology that was clearly not available in medieval times.

The scientists used extremely brief pulses of ultraviolet light to replicate the kind of marks found on the burial cloth.

They concluded that the iconic image of the bearded man must therefore have been created by "some form of electromagnetic energy (such as a flash of light at short wavelength)." Although they stopped short of offering a non-scientific explanation for the phenomenon, their findings will be embraced by those who believe that the marks on the shroud were miraculously created at the moment of Christ's Resurrection.

"We are not at the conclusion, we are composing pieces of a fascinating and complex scientific puzzle," the team wrote in their report.

Prof Paolo Di Lazzaro, the head of the team, said: "When one talks about a flash of light being able to colour a piece of linen in the same way as the shroud, discussion inevitably touches on things like miracles and resurrection." "But as scientists, we were concerned only with verifiable scientific processes. We hope our results can open up a philosophical and theological debate but we will leave the conclusions to the experts, and ultimately to the conscience of individuals."

 

They must say 'laser' as both hi-intensity as well as sharpness of the 'paint.' If one tried to do long-term in the sun, the sun would be moving the whole time and 'blur' the image over time.

And who could put the fake in the sun at the same time every day and at the same angle over 'months?' to try to create a fake?!!

Seems like it had to be instantaneous hi-intensity light to make...

 

Yeah I know it. Reads like a story out of a Greek mythology book.....