Seriously, I could see if there were alternatives or whatever but excommunication??? Of course, a little pedophelia is fine though. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57336316/the-catholic-church-a-house-divided/?tag=pop;stories When a church is divided over a matter of faith there are no easy answers, particularly when the divide is over some very fundamental principles that sometimes involve matters of life and death. Our cover story is reported by Barry Petersen: It's a battle between Catholic and Catholic, a battle between the past and the present. A battle centuries old that rages yet today. In Phoenix, it's a battle between Bishop Thomas Olmstead and the city's oldest hospital, St. Joseph's, whose staff includes a respected nun. It began in November 2009, with a pregnant 27-year-old mother of four who, in her 11th week, was admitted with severe pulmonary hypertension. Her doctors say it was dramatically worsening because of the pregnancy. "The hormonal changes of pregnancy, the changes in blood flow in this patient created a situation where her heart began to fail," said Dr. Charles Alfano, St. Joseph's chief medical officer. "And that failure, despite the efforts of the physicians, progressed to the point where she was very near death." Modern medicine presented two equally grim options: Terminate the pregnancy and save the mother, or lose both mother and child. "And as a result we made the difficult decision, but the decision that we had to make, to terminate the pregnancy," said Dr. Alfano. "No matter [what] you guys would have done, the child would have died?" asked Petersen. "Correct," said Dr. Alfano. Before moving forward, doctors consulted the hospital's ethics committee, which included Sister Margaret Mary McBride. The committee approved terminating the pregnancy, which doctors did ... saving the mother's life, losing the fetus. In the months following, word of events at St. Joseph's reached Bishop Olmsted, whose role includes being the moral leader of Catholics in his diocese, and he began his own inquiry, speaking with - among others - Sister Margaret. "I sat down and visited with her," recalled Bishop Olmstead. "So, I gathered information from her directly. Now, that didn't involve her giving me the charts and things. But in that description I did not hear, not equal concern for the mother and for the child. The child was not, nor was the uterus - infected, or there was nothing wrong with that. So, what was directly intended was to kill the unborn child." The Bishop ultimately found that officials at St. Joseph's "had not addressed in an adequate manner the scandal caused by the abortion," and for that he decreed, "St. Joseph's Hospital is no longer Catholic." As for Sister Margaret, Bishop Olmsted informed her that she'd been excommunicated. That prompted a lot of comment in the press. But, as she has consistently in this matter, Sister Margaret said nothing.
Well, its easy to be Protestant because you have no rules at all. You can be divorced, remarried, use birth control, have an abortion, whatever, there's no problem at all.
I thought there had to be more to this story - I have worked at a Catholic Hospital and we did do the occasional abortion because there was no other choice. I love the terms about preventing scandal - this is more about bad publicity and I will bet some idiot thinking there ARE no excuses for abortion than about the Catholic faith
Yeah we're SO ridiculous that way! Imagine if a Catholic woman divorced some guy who was beating her and then, years later, had the gall to marry a NON-Catholic guy just because he was kind and loving?!?!? Another strong case for sending someone straight to hell, yessireee bob! And that birth control thing! Jeez! Not only that, we're not even required to go to some guy who's never been married or had sex (except maybe with little boys) for marriage counseling!
You have a depraved mind with your fixation on old sex abuse scandals that involved a tiny percentage of the clergy. You should consider becoming Catholic because clearly what you are right now has not freed your mind from the dark moorings of debased thinking.
I am an ATHEIST - have been for more years than you have probably been alive and I have no real problems with Catholicism although you obviously do. I would much much rather work alongside a Catholic who is more likely to respect my views, than a right wing baptist who would not.
By "old", I guess you would mean last month? By a "tiny percentage" do you mean thousands of boys molested is okay because you know, compared to millions of Catholics, it's not that much? Or is it the church's officially stated position just three months ago was that hey, a lot of those boys "were actually over the age of 13" that somehow makes it okay? See here's what gets me about the hypocrisy of the Catholic church. It's okay for thousands of priest to plug these young boys in the butt - they've admitted that they knew those guys were doing it and when they were caught... they moved them to a new church (nothing like variety). So that's fine. Even repeat offenders. But when a woman makes a decision to save the life of another woman on a political issue - the excommunicate her and cut off funding to the church. So if your mind is so depraved that you don't have a problem with that, well you should become a Protestant or a Buddhists or something because obviously you're so brain-washed, you'll justify the kind of bs found in the OP. Oh, and I have a lot of Catholic friends. I'm just not fond of the church.
There is more to this story that would explain it better but I'm sure the author deliberately left it out.
thats not true protestants have rules and they dont believe in abortion as well ...and these divorces are unchristian...otheriwse just showing off your knowledge of the bible doesnt really mean you are a practicing christian if you marry recklessly and divorce out of stupidity..
Actually, it depends on which denomination you belong to. Many Babtists believe that anything that can be viewed as enjoyable is a sin. Games, drinking, dancing, watching TV, listening to the radio ect.... When I was a kid, I went to my grandfather's Babtist church and it was insane. They claimed that a true Christian has to spend every day, day and night working. Either doing chores, studying (If you were a student) or working at a job. The only time you were not working was when you were sleeping or on the Sabbath. But, on the sabbath, we were forbidden from walking for than 30 steps, watching tv, playing any types of games. It was borderline Puritan Anyway, divorce was forbidden, except when a person commits adultery, which is allowed in the bible. Sex was forbidden unless you were actively trying for a child. I remember a man getting kicked out of the church for kissing his girlfriend.
Based on that emphasized text above, I can assure you that you were not attending any type of Baptist church. I was also raised Baptist, and never encountered such conditions. Even today, I live in a community that is primarily Baptist, and such conditions do not exist in this community.
They called themselves Babtists, it was in a small town. I'm not sure what it would be called elsewhere Also, when I said walk more than 30 steps, I meant out of your house...not at all
Well, this is also a small town in which I now live, and the Baptists (not Babtists) [notice that there is no such proper word as Babtists] do not have such a rule, rule, regulation, code of conduct, etc. that is recognized anywhere in the US. If such a rule was enforced upon you while you were growing up, you can bank on that enforcement being nothing more that the enforcement of the rules established by your parents,,, not the Baptist churches.
Except that it was taught at the church. It was probably an offshoot of the real Baptist churches that still used the name. There is no law against it.
All I can say is that based upon what you have stated, that was a very strange environment which your parents subjected you to, as you will not find such teachings in any of the Baptist churches.
In Daggdog's defense, Baptist churches have a wide variance of disciplines and many churches are independent Baptist churches with no subordination to SBA or any other denominational sect. I usually hear of the Seventh Day Adventists being this strict on observance of Old Testament strictures, but it's not a stretch that an independent Baptist church could likewise follow such a narrow interpretation of the Bible in their disciplines.
I agree that it is not a stretch to imagine something as bizarre as described, however, I still maintain that in my 62 years of age, I have never heard of any Baptist church with such teachings. I think it is reprehensible that, in this day and age, a church of any denomination would be so domineering over its congregation... but then again, that choice is up to the individual adult members of such a congregation.
