Yet another reason why we need very strict gun control

No...by my unbreakable logic, a criminal (by definition, someone who is NOT discouraged by laws against murder, theft, etc) is going to get their hands on an inanimate firearm regardless of what feel good gun control laws totalitarian gun grabbers pass...just as drunks and fools are still going do utterly stupid, dangerous and illegal things with their equally inanimate automobiles.

 

More like 'parts' of cars. Minimum safety requirements must be met. For example, you can't build a giant hulking steel monstrosity that most cars used to be. You know the ones that could survive 60 mph crashes but left their driver as an unrecognizable bloody pulp Not too far from the idea of banning 30 round clips and full-auto weapons don't you think?

You also have to prove your ability to drive both in the classroom and then in an actual test. Not to mention at subsequent intervals after that. Can't say most states gun laws even come close to that.

 

I'm wondering why you think we should have any laws at all whatsoever? Also, that is not the definition of criminal. (According to websters, not me).

 

There's just one problem with your logic. Actually, there's many, but we'll start with the most important one. Driving is a privilege. The right to keep and bear arms is a Constitutional right.

And you really think banning 30-round clips will have anything resembling a meaningful affect on violent crime? Seriously?

 

There is a background check for buying a gun - no background check for buying a car.
If you are ever convicted of a violent or drug related crime, you are permanently banned from buying owning, possessing or using any guns or ammunition - no such restriction when it comes to cars.
It is illegal to carry a gun into a school zone - no such rule applies to cars.
It is illegal for any licensed firearm seller to sell any firearm to someone under 18 and illegal to sell a handgun or handgun-only ammunition to anyone under 21. It is also illegal for anyone to sell a handgun or handgun-only ammunition to anyone who is under 18, and it is also illegal for anyone under 18 to possess a handgun. There are no similar rules about cars.
It is illegal for any immigrant who doesn't have a green card to possess a gun or ammunition - no such restriction on cars.
It is illegal for anyone who has a restraining order against them to possess a firearm - no such restriction on cars.

There are also thousands of state laws that restrict firearms that don't have any similar versions that apply to cars.

Cars are much less restricted than guns.

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You don't have to prove anything to purchase a car. You just need a license to drive on public roads. Anyone can legally buy a car - even if they don't have a license.

 

I believe it is a mathematical undeniability that if laws make it more difficult for criminals to get their hands on guns, there will be less criminals committing crime with guns.

Seriously.

 

We have strict car control.

 

Really? What exactly are the legal restrictions on purchasing a car?

 

True, but the proposals that the anti-gun crowd keeps making restrict law-abiding citizens in the hope that they will have a secondary effect of somehow making things a little harder on criminals too. They aren't going after the criminals, they are hoping to create a secondary effect that impacts criminals, and making things harder on millions of law-abiding citizens to do it.

 

Strawman. Though I will tell you that I'm not a big fan of "preemptive", blanket punishment laws...like prohibitions, safety/cleanliness inspections/fines, DUI laws, etc .....I tend towards adherance to the natural laws. Specifically, if one (especially an adult) maliciously, recklessly, or out of neglect, violates another's natural rights...assault, rape, murder, theft, defrauding them of their property, makes them sick, abuses, or harms them, ect.... make them wish the (*)(*)(*)(*) they'd never been born.

 

You have to register it, to use it you need a license and to get that you have to pass a government issued test. If you have a physical or mental disability you may be denied the ability to use it. There is a database that tracks cars including if they are used in a crime or are involved in an accident. So.............................................................................

 

Hurry LIBERALS, WE NEED STRICT BIKE CONTROL SO THIS DOESNT HAPPEN TO CHILDREN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.katu.com/news/local/9-year-old-201057671.html

 

I think we are carrying this car analogy too far. There are very few incidents of people purposely trying to kill someone with their vehicle. But I understand your points. Please keep in mind there are also very tight restrictions on manufacturers of cars, regarding safety, materials etc.. I'm wondering what parallels there are in the gun manufacturing industry...

 

Didn't stop this idiot from putting his innocent daughter and the traveling public at risk, did it....

 

You have proven your own premise idiotic. A 5 year old currently cannot legally own a firearm. So laws do NOTHING to prevent such tragedies!!!
Idiotic parents who give kids guns and vote Democrat are just a sad reality.

 

You sound like you lean a bit anarchist. I wonder who gets to be judge jury and executioner such a place?

 

Ah..very good!.....of the individualist/tribal variety...practicing, and off the grid

 

Or articulating the argument in a way it would make sense.

 

That's true, because how are you going to prove that a parent would be irresponsible with guns in the future? You couldn't.

 

Except for the internet Grid!! Don't you know they are tracking you right now? Keep your eyes peeled for black choppers and be ready to move!

I actually envy that life. If I could I'd move to the most desolate and remote fjorde in Norway. I'd never have to look at another human again, which I find desirable. With the exception of the lady and the chil'un, of whom I'd rule with a iron fist of course.

 

Exactly.

 

You're right, it is a problem that you really separate criminals from law abiders in this regard. As I've said before though, I don't think its too much to ask for a slight inconvenience from law abiding gun buyers if it helps keep guns out criminals hands.

It's kind of like when I pull up to a DUI checkpoint. It's a pain in the ass but I deal with it because I understand why they are doing it.

 

Maybe car technology ? You know, like airbags.......

 

You don't have to have a license to buy a car, just to use it in public. The disability may make you lose the license to operate a vehicle, but you can still buy and own one.

There is a database that tracks guns if they are used in a crime or accident, so that is the same for both.

 

Perhaps there should be IQ tests for prospective parents? Fail and its off to the abortion mill.
Sure would cure many of societies ills now wouldn't it.