You are suffering due to your own actions only The reason for misery or happiness is only your action that was already done. The Gita says that the actions are very very subtle (Gahana Karmano Gatih ). I will give you a small example. While eating food, suppose a piece of chilly is left over in your plate. When it is thrown outside, it decays and lot of virus and bacteria are generated. Suppose, such virus affects the health of a good devotee who is involved in the mission of Lord; this has become the greatest sin based on the smallest piece of chilly. Your health will be affected severely. Therefore, the Veda says Annam Na Parichak(*)(*)(*)(*)a, which means that even an iota (Iota is denoted by the prefix pari) of food should not be thrown out. Either you should eat the piece of chilly or use the powder of chilies in cooking the food. You can imagine the fate of the priests who throw lot of food in the death rituals stating that throwing food indicates their full satisfaction! This shows that we cannot avoid sins which are so subtle that easily escape our attention. You have to enjoy the fruits of your actions. Without knowing such subtle nature of deeds, people cry saying What sin I have done in this birth? They say that some deed from the previous birth was responsible for such fruit. They assume that they are very pure without doing any sin in this birth! It is not correct. All the fruits end by enjoyment or punishment either in this world or in the upper world (heaven and hell). When the soul comes down to the earth and enters a fresh body, all the fruits are over with a nil balance sheet. But, the Samskaras (psychological tendencies for doing such deeds) exist in the soul in very much reduced state. The soul does again the same deeds guided by these samskaras, which are called as destiny (Karmasesha). Therefore, either enjoyment of the fruits or worship of God (theoretical and practical) are the two ways left over. God alone can burn your sins by His own specific technology (enjoying the fruits for your sake). The Gita says the same (Ahamtva ). You cannot escape the enjoyment of the fruits even after millions of Yugas unless these Samskaras are burnt by the divine knowledge, which leads you to God and subsequent practical devotion. People misunderstand that the divine knowledge directly burns the Samskaras. The burning can be verified only through the practical devotion to God (Jnanaagnih Gita). The proof for receiving the right divine knowledge is only determination and implementation in practice. The root of all these Samskaras is only attachment to the world. When this attachment is burnt, the Samskaras are burnt. But burning the attachment to the world is very difficult and cannot be achieved by the effort of even entire life time. Therefore, do not waste your life time in burning these Samskaras. You divert these Samskaras (good and bad qualities) to God and this is the easiest and fruitful solution. Suppose, you go on making efforts till the age of your retirement to get the relief order from the old institution, where is the time to join the new institution?
Knowledge of Allah should be propagated with efficiency and effectiveness. Mohammad was ordered by God to propagate the divine knowledge in that part of the world, that He did nicely. Similarly Jesus, Krishna etc. The Lord does not need your service in anyway for His work. He is only testing your attitude of your sincerity in His work by taking help from you in His work. You should not think that He really needs your help. You should not also think that you need not help Him because He does not need your help. Both these are the two branches of ignorance. He is actually testing your extent of sacrifice towards Him and thus He does not need your help in reality. But based on this reality you should not withdraw your help to Him because He is testing your attitude and extent to work for Him. When the examiner asks a question, the student should not think that the examiner is really ignorant about the answer and is in search of the answer from the student. The student should not also keep silent thinking that there is no need of giving answer to the examiner since the examiner knows the answer. Both these views of the student are wrong regarding the examiner. Neither Rama needed the help of monkeys in reality nor the monkeys kept silent without helping Rama since Rama does not require any help in reality. The reality is that Rama does not require any help and that the monkeys helped Rama to their best ability to prove their real interest in God.
But you're not doing it with efficiency or effectiveness. All you're doing is annoying people by posting too many threads. Annoying people don't get followers, you don't worship an itchy scab, do you? All you're doing is proving over and over that you cannot provide evidence or any other reason to believe what you do. Have you ever convinced anyone that what you're saying is ultimate truth?
I already told you many times that only existence of unimaginable God is experienced. By this you cannot say that such God do not exists. Such God comes in human form, known as Human incarnation, you can see such Human incarnation of God here itself. The unimaginable limits of universe is a proof unimaginable entity that you can never deny. When you experience God in human incarnation, God still remains unimaginable. Only the existence of unimaginable God is experienced and not God (asteetyeva Veda). You have experienced the existence of current by touching the electric wire and this does not mean that you have understood the electricity. Hence, the experience of existence of unimaginable God does not mean that God became imaginable. You can have two or more electric wires simultaneously. Due to difference in the works like a wire for fan, a wire for tube light etc. Similarly, due to different programs, you can have many human incarnations simultaneously in the same time. If you mistake that a particular electric wire is only the current, then the problem comes. Here you have mistaken that the wire and current are one and the same. Here the knowledge of Dvaita is required. Then only you can understand that the same electricity is flowing in different wires. Some people think that a particular electric wire in the past (past human incarnation) alone is the current, even though that wire was destroyed and does not exist today. These people are many who think that a particular past human incarnation like Rama, Jesus, etc., alone is God.
A) I'm really glad to hear that coz most people are too busy struggling with other demands to get through tyheir daily tasks . B) I'm also glad to hear that you've learnt + discovered "reality " from the monkeys interest in your Monkey God Hanuman . . ------ and being interviewed on REALITY TV SHOW : ....
Yes, you told me, just like Clinton said he didn't have sexual relations with that woman or Nixon said he didn't know about the Watergate. You saying so is not a reason to believe anything. I do not experience such gods, I do not see Human incarnation of such gods, and ultimately, you fail to address the issue which is that you post way too many threads. I don't care whether you believe what you write or not, the issue still remains. You post many threads, lowering the overall standard of this site, and you annoy people to the extent that they stop listening to you, which means you fail to be "effective and efficient".
The basic Lesson from Hanuman For you Hanuman may appear to be a joke. However if you understand the sacrifice He did for God's mission then your view may change. The final stage of the entire divine knowledge is expected to be the practical service to the Lord who comes to this earth in every human generation, without aspiring any fruit for such service and sacrifice rendered by you. The complete example for this is Hanuman. You must understand the Philosophy of Hanuman which should lead you in recognizing the present human incarnation on this earth and to participate in His service without aspiring any fruit in return. If this philosophy of Hanuman is not understood, there is no use of the temples of Hanuman and various methods of worship of Hanuman. Ofcourse, they serve the purpose of giving you the inspiration to fix your concentration on Hanuman. But what is the use if you have not gained the real guidance from Him in the spiritual path? You are going to the school regularly in time. You have the uniform and all the books. You have good teachers in the school. But what is the use of all this when you do not learn the knowledge from the school? The entire life of Hanuman is only sacrifice and selfless service to the human form of the Lord. You shall be ashamed of your entire path of worship. You are asking all types of boons with very wide range starting from this world to the upper world. Initially He has fulfilled some of your desires which are proper because the health, mental peace and wealth are necessary as the basis for spiritual effort. But you are not satisfied with the basis and you are proceeding in to the wrong line from the basis, in which you desire for more and more worldly comforts which in excess are called as luxuries. After achieving the basic needs you must travel in right line by learning the philosophy of Hanuman. He got a job under the king Sugriva and settled Himself with the basic needs. Then He searched for the human incarnation and He was waiting in Kishkindha for the Lord in the human form. What have you done? Did you search for the human incarnation? He was not worshiping the statues in the temples with all the unnecessary extra rituals, which are manipulated by the priests for their benefits. Ofcourse, the statues and shrines serve the purpose of inspiration about God and seeing the statues and photos (Darsanam) is sufficient. Ofcourse, the extra rituals which are the various methods of worship to the statues in human form also serve the purpose of removing egoism and jealousy towards human form provided you are suffering with egoism and jealousy. But Hanuman was not at all having such egoism and jealousy. He never remembers His strength and feels Himself as zero. But, what about you? You never remember the defects and limits of your little strength and always feel yourself as a hero. You are not at all searching for the Satguru who is the human form of the Lord that exists in your generation. The Lord is impartial to any generation and so comes in every generation in human form. The human form of Lord came to Hanuman and He recognized the Lord in the very first sight itself. In your case even if the human incarnation comes to you and shows some proof to you, you are not recognizing the Lord. You will say that all the proof is only illusion or magic. After recognizing the Lord, Hanuman used Himself for the work of the Lord. In your case, even if you recognize Him, you try to use Him for solutions of your personal problems. Hanuman never discriminated the social service and personal service of the Lord. He simply did the service according to the will of the Lord. His aim was always to please the Lord by His service to the Lord in whatever way the Lord wished. In your case even if you enter in to the service you will start criticizing the Lord, if He involves you in His personal work. You will immediately say that He is not the God since He is selfish. Hanuman never criticized Rama even in His mind when Rama told Ravana that in case, Sita is returned, He will go back. If you are in the place of Hanuman you will immediately say that if Rama returns after getting Sita what will happen to the society that is suffering by the cruel deeds of Ravana? Such question never rose in the mind of Hanuman because the aim of the spiritual effort is only to please the Lord and nothing else. Infact, He does not need your help either in His personal work or in the social work. His family and this entire world constitute the divine drama meant for His entertainment only. He is testing your attitude towards Him and the basic strength of your recognition. If the recognition is determined without any doubt, such doubts will not come to your mind. Hanuman did not ask for any vision or for any miracle. Arjuna called as Nara representing yourself (Nara) asked for the highest vision from Krishna as a proof. Hanuman believed Rama without any such proof. He is the blessed soul as per the statement of Jesus Blessed are those who believe Me without proof.
How can you deny the existence of unimaginable limits of the universe? That itself is the direct proof of existence of unimaginable God. You may treat a miracle as magic, but for this one-unimaginable limits of space, you have the direct experience.
That's not what I did, is it? I said you post too many threads, that you're lowering the standard on the forum and annoy people.
The guy is a fruit cake - I doubt anyone is seriously reading his lengthy posts . Or inclined to believe whatever he think he's peddling. .....
Nor do I, but I'm getting quite annoyed that he constantly has five or six threads on the first page, most of which never gets answered but he just keeps posting them. There is a reason why rules against spam exist, just because reads spam thoroughly doesn't mean that it should be kept around.
Exactly, posting that many threads a day is unneccesary. You are better off keeping all your threads in one thread.
He's also consistently unable simply to respond to something. Instead there's just paragraph after paragraph of earnest new-agey mysticism. I feel like you could take any one of his posts and swap it with another from a different thread and nobody would notice.
Well, he is copying most of his material from another website. I guess if that website doesn't have the answer to the particular question, he copies something else. But yes, I agree, he rarely answers straight questions. My new favourite example of this is the very last post on the first page, where he completely ignores our plea to stop posting threads and went on about his usual, poorly defined arguments. Edit: of course, whenever the discussion diverts to the subject of his many threads (which it usually does since it's more interesting than what he's actually writing) he's nowhere to be seen.
Dattaswami....... Here is some very simple knowledge for you, you fail to engage your audience time and time again!!!!! Even if you had knowledge to share, it is left unrealized because you never respond to specific points brought up by other posters..... I'm perhaps one of the most willing participants towards engaging in an open and free thinking discussion on this forum..... I have none of this experience with you! To me, you are like a silly broken record that I just want to bump in hopes that it will get past the repetitious annoyance! Is this the knowledge that you are trying to convey?
WHAT DO YOU UNDERSTAND ? Can you understand how annoying several posters think you are ? Do you understand that you're merely posting a load of repetative C + P (possibly plagiarized ) from some other site - which is of no really interest and you invariably refuse to answer any if the readers questions or engage in debate on yr C + P threads > ? Can you understand that the numerous threads (most near identical ) you're posting /plastering all over this board is causing an annoyance to many. Grasshopper , if you mean well , try winning a few friends instead of continuing being a pain in the bum a toute a l'heure ... .
