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I'm not sure what you mean by "sustainable".

Are you suggesting that people "should" want to work those jobs? Is this a moral issue with you - that people have a duty to take any job offer no matter how uneconomic, personally harmful, physically difficult, etc?

Do you have an example?

 

I mean that if more and more jobs continue to become "jobs Americans don't want to do", pretty soon there will none of them left. It can't continue to go on as it has been.
Even the status quo is not sustainable.

The concept of "jobs Americans don't want to do" carries a lot of subtle implications, and unfortunately if you don't already know what that means, it's too complicated to get into that in this thread.
It would be very controversial and derail the discussion in this thread.

My point was that being a small business owner continues to become harder and harder.
And the occupation of small business owner is, or used to be, one of the big job sectors in the economy. If something happens to them, it's actually a very huge thing. (Might not be directly connected to stock prices, but it is a huge thing in the economy)

 

Well, you have to adapt in the sense that you probably aren't going to emigrate.

But, we DO have the power to make change.

You can insist on representation that isn't corrupt.

You can insist that we follow the rule of law and our constitution.

You can demand that attention is given to characteristics in our leadership positions that support that.

Today, that would make a MONUMENTAL difference.

 

Yes, even if a severe recession happened, and the number of homeless people on the streets doubled, the plain truth of the matter is it still would not be worse than most other parts of the world.

Plus with the world more interconnected than it was before, things that happen in America are also likely to be going on in all those Western European and White English-speaking countries at the same time. These are like the only parts of the world Americans would ever consider emigrating to.

The point being, things would probably not be much better anywhere else, so it would be harder to escape those problems by moving to another country.

 

Sure. But, you're going to have to go further than that.

What are these jobs and why is it that people are unwilling to work them.

Are they too poorly compensated to allow for a reasonable life in our society?

Are there too many better alternatives - noting that we are a capitalist economy?

Are they unsafe?

Do they offer no healthcare yet pay too little for the individual to buy that. Here in Seattle a hospital delivere a guy his bill for COVID treatment - it was for more than a million dollars and the guy has no coverage. Today, Trump THREATENS workers who dont want to risk COVID, yet has NO solution for when they get deadly sick.

Who has worked those jobs in the past? In many cases, it is immigrant labor, which is going to be reduced when the national policy if to cut off immigration.

Etc.

 

That's pretty hard to judge objectively.

There is a lot to like about a good number of European countries. There's a lot to like about Canada, Japan, Australia and other places, too.

I'm really just thinking that no significant numbers are going to emigrate.

 

Pet projects? You mean like requiring some accounting of who gets the money? Like always, Trump is taking care of the rich at the working man's expense.

 

And beyond that...the House and Senate only appropriate the money.

How it gets disbursed is on the Executive branch...and THAT is where the issue is. The Executive Branch is hiding where trillions of dollars went

 

This is just so fundamentlly unAmerican. Plus, it is OUR tax dollars.

How our entire country isn't absolutely LIVID concerning this travesty is beyond me.

 

No, I mean like demanding things like paying off 10k in student debt, per student. Demanding that airlines reduce their carbon emission by 50 percent by 2050. Demanding that federal agencies explain how they are increasing their use of "minority banks". It also paid the JFK Center for performing Arts $35 million. (...and then they promptly laid off staff.) Extending nonimmigrant visas and restricting colleges from providing information about citizenship status. Title III, Section 301 of Pelosi's bill allocated $1 billion to expanding the "emergency lifeline broadband benefit". (IE: Obama Phones).

Should I go on? There's plenty of stuff that the Dems demanded and held up the stimulus package for that had NOTHING to do with the virus or the effects caused by the virus. It was their pet projects. Funny that you comment about Trump "taking care of the rich at the working man's expense". And yet it was Trump and the Republicans that tried to get the stimulus passed asap...while the Dems stalled it for their pet projects. Causing many small businesses...you know...those "working man's" businesses... to fail. And now here the Dems are...trying to blame Republicans.

 

Yep, and as every time in the past, Trump's give aways go mostly to the rich.

 

None of that has anything to do with the Administration hiding how it disbursed hundreds of billions of dollars

 

You can insist until you are blue in the face but over the past 60 years federal government has become steadily larger, more corrupt and more incompetent. Insisting doesn't fix anything. Voting doesn't even fix anything. Those of us without political power can only adapt. Sorry. And were it not for my wife, I would have emigrated already.

 

congratulations on awakening to how DC operates including when your Democrat party had full control. I just hope that you can find a source somewhere which will also report on the scoundrels should Democrats again take control, and also that you will still give a crap then.

Sorry, but your post history is one of nothing but Democrat party=good (yay team) and Republican party = bad

Perhaps it's time to open your eyes

 

$174 k per year salary yet they become multi-millionaires in short order

And the electorate bickers about Democrat vs Republican.

Full Democrat control when Obama took office yet the left did not get their socialist utopia

Full republican control with Trump and conservatives didn't get what they wanted

And strange how during both admins, one party just happened to lose control of the senate or house

 

I'm a fan of congressional gridlock. It helps keep partisan bills from becoming law and makes lawmaking more difficult - both positive things in my view. I think it may be a very popular thing among Americans in general even if they haven't thought about it.

Partisanship within the public makes no sense to me at all. The purpose of political parties is to get candidates elected. This is certainly important for candidates but not at all important for the public. The public, ultimately, has the vote and individual voters can vote however they wish. The political parties lie, cheat and engage in reputation destruction and I, for one, wouldn't want to be allied to one. Parties are important in the parliamentary system where voters choose parties, not individuals. Americans, though. can choose people individually or each office. No politcal part necessary at all for voters. But it is what it is.

 

So, ********* about one and not the other. There's a word for that....

 

That's how bills are passed - there is NOTHING new about that. And, it can't be any other way, because there are far too many indiviual items to consider as separate bills.

The issue here is that congress handed the executive branch a GIGANTIC amount of money and the executive branch has refused to allow CONGRESSMEN to know where the money went.

THAT is not something that happens. Congress gets to know where the money went. That is ALWAYS part of their job.

Why are you intereted in having hundreds of billions of our tax dollars handed to Mnuchin to pass out as he wishes with NO ACCOUNTING??

 

You haven't proposed two things that could POSSIBLY be compared.

Plus, it's really not that hard to make posts that get past the board filters.

 

How long are you just going to keep complaining while advocating not doing anything about it?

I do see hope. Republicans ARE getting fed up with Trump's refusal to follow the rule of law, to make seriously deranged policy decisions, to refuse to allow federal spending to have standard accounting, to have federal offices that require confirmatin to run without confirmed leadership, to TOTALLY ignore medical science on issues as crystal clear and as deadly as COVID19, etc.

It's not like your vote actually doesn't count. It couldn't count more!

 

Your vague partisan handwaves noted - again.

If you want to discuss something, just go ahead and say what it might be.

 

Emergency spending bills that is supposed to be for saving peoples livelihoods gets delayed by Democrats because they couldn't pass up a chance to pass up a clean bill. All so that they could get their little pet projects enacted because they knew it wouldn't happen otherwise. And you're just fine with it. Meanwhile Republicans wanted a clean bill so as to get it out to the people sooner and yet this thread is blaming Republicans for small businesses failing.

Yeah...there's a word for that.

 

I'll complain as much as I like. There is nothing that can be done. Even voting fixes nothing. There should be no spending as we have seen lately from federal government. It fixes nothing either and increases the speed toward enough debt to require a default. You are being played by politics.

There is no point at all in my going to the polls to vote for a candidate I don't want in office. Don't you understand that the political parties decide who the candidates will be? We don't have really free elections. We can choose one from column D or column R. Federal government is hopelessly corrupt. An election is like an ornament. It does nothing but make people feel good. It is beyond belief that nearly everybody goes for it.

I have no political power. That means I have no say. All I can do is adapt and alert others to the futility of the system. Sorry it has taken a long time for me to get this cynical. I refuse to vote for either of these people just like I refused in 2016. Having said that, there are worse systems elsewhere. I was raised in one of them. Corruption is endemic to politics. It fuels it. Sorry for the rant.

 

In truth corruption is endemic to the entire human species itself. The two are entirely inseparable from one another.

 

No doubt about that but it isn't universally endemic. It is universally endemic to politicans.