You want a question? Here's one for you...

In all of literature the only worse demon than the "god" of the Old Testiment is the god of the New Testiment. He goes from being the genocidal drowner of kittens and puppies and bunnie rabbits (all except for 2 of each) over a childish hissy fit to being the ETERNAL torturer of billions of people. Most of whom were primarily guilty of just being born in the wrong country.

By what possible stretch of the imagination do Christians believe this imaginary lunatic of theirs is worthy of being worshipped?

 

Maybe he's bipolar? Who knows (who cares)?

As long as Christians aren't actually stoning gays and girls who aren't virgins on their wedding night, who cares what "God" they worship? Actions speak louder than words. If a person I know believes in Jesus, and believing in Jesus helped them thru a hard time in their life, then I'm fine with that - so long as they aren't "killing infidels" or telling me I have to "convert or die" then I don't care what concept of God they believe in, regardless of the barbaric verses in the OT.

 

seems like a lot of hostility toward christians.. how many threads do you have going for this crusade?

IMO, many of the advancements in humanity are DUE to christianity, or at least, christians. Pasteur, Bacon (roger & francis!), galileo, descartes, marconi, carver.. the list is extensive, & shows how the belief in a god of order changed the ancient world of superstition. It is revisionist history to misattribute the many great human discoveries to secular thinking, when the devout religion of the day was christianity. To criticize the times as backward, & claim that as resulting from christianity is equally bigoted. It was christianity that brought about modern civilization, elevated the value & equality of man, & paved the way for ANY modern views of tolerance. IMO, the concept of Law as a natural standard is from the biblical texts, as well as the american concept of individual sovereignty. The reformation was the spark that moved us from law as decree from the pope, to law as the written rule of the scripture. Free human governances all build upon that concept.

 

Well for one thing there's this:

[video=youtube;LACyLTsH4ac]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac[/video]

 

Quite the persecution complex. Asking people in a forum how a particular god is worthy of worship is a "crusade?" Maybe you should have a look at Christian history about a thousand years ago to see what a real crusade looks like.

Red herrings (and really bad ones, at that). What does this have to do with the OP's question?

 

Mankind has advanced DESPITE Christianity. NOT because of it! Clearly you know NOTHING about history! But I'm sure you're right. What possible harm could there be in this:

[video=youtube;GoJz4gCuBKk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoJz4gCuBKk&feature=youtu.be[/video]

 

I think I would say that mankind has advanced REGARDLESS of religion.

 

However you say it I think you and I can agree that we would like to continue to advance. But that isn't the goal of Christianity is it?

 

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By what possible stretch of the imagination do Christians believe this imaginary lunatic of theirs is worthy of being worshipped?[/QUOTE]

the reason our species worships a powerful and vengeful God is because our choice of a God reflects our own nature. What other species spends great proportions of it's energy and treasure killing other members of it's species.

 

Amen to that CJ! They're just talking to themselves. And what they think they see when they look at "god" should scare the Hell out of anyone who understands the weapons they have amassed!

[video=youtube;ukFZNJyCelk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukFZNJyCelk&feature=youtu.be[/video]

 

Your premise is based on a lie. God is not the torturer.....geez....so elementary.

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You mean as a result of Godless countries like good oil' North Korea....yeah much advancement from that atheist regime.

 

I'm getting to the point where I may have to put you on ignore doombug. Not because i disagree with you. But because you never actually say anything.

Yes I'm well aware that in the minds of Christians...

who never seem to get past an elementary school level of thinking

...God hired the devil to do the actual torturing.

But, at the very least, god (according to the theory) LETS him do it to BILLIONS of people FOREVER!

And the ONLY way he could figure a way to not let it happen is if somebody believes something that's so utterly stupid that the only way they can continue to believe it is by shutting off their brains. (They call that "faith".)

Here's a thought:

How 'bout this imaginary sociopathic freak you call "god" just not create a Hell in the first place? How many people would that "save"?

Wow! I guess your "god" never thought of that option!

Your "god" must be a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing idiot!

Or maybe your idiot "god" just isn't powerful enough to stand up against the devil. Because otherwise he has NO EXCUSE!

(Rolling eyes in complete and utter disgust!)

Come back when you can discuss the matter on at least a junior high school level OK doombug?

 

Feel free to ignore all you want. You can't prove your premise and I called you out on it. Don't feel like you are alone because I have defeated many here. None that I can see are willing to debate or actually engage. Once I point out their premise is phony they run for the hills or use ad hom attacks.

If anyone here had a valid argument they wouldn't need to use such tactics or "ignore" what they can't deal with.

Just for the heck of it show us where hell is an actual creation.

 

Christian argument # 27: "I am too stupid to have a clue what you just said. So I win." Pathetic!

Just wtf is it that you "Christians" think you are "saved" FROM genius? It's YOUR myth.

Here. Maybe this guy I picked at random can explain it to you. He says he believes that nonsense. Even though he clearly doesn't understand it.

 

Pointing out the obvious upsets you? OK then.

So now you say I am a Christian when I have never claimed to be. Why so anxious to put me in a box? Why not just answer the question? But then your goal is to make God out to be evil or some bad guy. Can you prove your premise or not?

 

"God" doesn't need me to "make [him] out to be evil or some bad guy". That's what the Bible is for. Now toddle off and go worship your drowner of kittens.


A Christian's idea of a BRILLIANT plan!

 

You are a little slow on this one.

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Hahaha! I have defeated another. So you cannot answer a question or even prove your premise. Sad. Not even an attempt at it....pathetic. Instead you resort to insults and ad hom attacks. No wonder the atheist worldview is and has been so unpopular.

 

Yeah, you wised up quick and realized you couldn't win. Kudos to you. So now you just continue with fallacious arguments.

 

Who do you think is the "torturer"?
By the way there is no oil in N. Korea or they wouldn't be so desperately poor. LOL!

 

Please keep bumping this post doombug. It proves that the other Christians are afraid to respond to the original question. This was actually the one that I intended to ask in the other post. But I got on a roll with the various ludicrous aspects of the Christian faith. They are so numerous I seem to have forgotten to boil it down to one question. In case anyone forgot here is the question again -

In all of literature the only worse demon than the "god" of the Old Testiment is the god of the New Testiment. He goes from being the genocidal drowner of kittens and puppies and bunnie rabbits (all except for 2 of each) over a childish hissy fit to being the ETERNAL torturer of billions of people. Most of whom were primarily guilty of just being born in the wrong country.

By what possible stretch of the imagination do Christians believe this imaginary lunatic of theirs is worthy of being worshipped?

But wait a little while before you bump it again will ya doom?

 

1) No, and putting words into my mouth and fighting a straw man just makes your argument look ridiculous.
2) Do you want me to list the many highly religious yet technologically backward countries, and some advanced countries with low numbers of adherents? Or should I just point out that this is basically useless anecdotal mudslinging that betrays an inherently weak position?

 

Hahaha! You really don't know that?

Oil has nothing to do with it.

 

LOL! I have taken the wind out of your sails Pearlie. Your premise is based on a lie. There is no need to answer your question.

 

You can post as many fallacies as you want but they fail....just like your logic.