You want a question? Here's one for you...

I'm asking if you know. You aren't responding.
You are the one who did the "oil" typo.

 

So you are now pretending to be an expert on North Korea? It figures.

 

Your hell of your thoughts has nothing to do with me. You attacked me by the way with your nonsense now three times within a very short time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEnW5_GTooI

 

No, the crusade is what seems to be the obsession of the OP.. not a balanced, historical view.. pointing out human atrocites of old does not apply, & it can be more easily argued, historically, that it was the influence of christianity, with the elevated view of man as a sovereign, worthwhile individual that brought the concept of freedom to the world.

Not herrings of any color. My basis provides a better perspective than the prejudicial, biased question of the OP. 'Have you stopped beating your wife?' is another similar question. Of course, i see it as a troll, & NOT a sincere question or a topic for thoughtful discussion, but as a fan of history, i must have felt compelled to chime in.. even though i usually regret it, in threads like this..

Ok a lame video from some anti religion propaganda producer? This is supposed to be a historical rebuttal? No. get a clue, & ditch the 'Revisionist History for fun & Profit!' textbook. History is.. you can learn from it, or try to distort it to fit your agenda. But if you are an honest student of history, you can see the threads of philosophy, freedom, & human worth. This did not arise in a vacuum, & is not the standard in many cultures, even today. But in post christian cultures, you see the growth of individual significance.. 'inherent rights' spring from this fountain. Science had its foundation on principles of an orderly universe, with a consistent creator behind it. Contrast that with the voodoo, witch doctor style of science that still goes on today. The scientific method does not work, here, because they have demons or unseen metaphysical forces changing the dynamics. But the evolution of science is clearly in the christian camp, & even if you disagree with the tenets of the faith, you cannot dispute the significance that the ideology has had on mankind.. primarily for the good.

Sure, man has always been warlike, murderous, & aggressive. Religious people are no different, in history, or even today. I don't begrudge them their humanity, just because they aspire to be free from it. It is a noble goal, if not a little naive, but the constant ridicule of christians & smears in history get old, are prejudicial & seem to be just hateful smears from someone with an axe to grind.

“Making fun of born-again Christians is like hunting dairy cows with a high powered rifle and scope.” ~P.J. O'Rourke

 

Don't need to be. A casual glance at the newspapers will inform you of the desperation in that country.

 

Of course but if one knows that it is ran by an atheist regime one will know it is a dire situation there.

 

Whats the matter? The "undisputed" debating champion unable to address the points? And tries to pretend someone else is the one who has failed? Quelle surprise!

 

Seems the point of the OP is being ignored. The story in the bible of a god that is jealous, furious, wrathful, etc is disturbing to me for one reason only.

I'm a father. I know it seems simple but hear me out.


As a father I full well know, and even expect, that my children will at some time do something I wish they wouldn't have. They will behave in a way that I don't approve of. They may even harm someone else with their childish

behaviors. It will then be my responsibility to deal with the problem. As I see it my responsibility to show them the errors of their ways is the challenge I and all parents are faced with. Some times a good conversation with them

helps them see that the actions they have chosen are not in anyone's best interest, and there by prevents the same action in the future. If another person has been hurt by their actions I generally go to the next level and they are

punished in a way that fits the offense. As the offenses increase in severity so too should the punishments. Occasionally if they have offended or harmed another the best solution is to have them work with that individual in a way

that helps them come to see the way they treated this person is not only unfair but hurtful of their feelings. I have discovered that no matter what the infraction they have committed I still love them and want only one thing... for

them to learn from their mistake and to become a better person.


Now if you contrast this with a god that destroys all it's creation rather than help it to learn from it's mistakes you see why I find this god and it's behavior appalling. If you contrast this with a god that keeps it's self hidden from it's

creation and never spends any one on one time with the created you begin to see why I find this god appalling. If you contrast this with a god who wishes to torture for all eternity someone for something done in one lifetime then

you begin to see why I find the behavior of this god appalling.


It is unfathomable to me, and I suspect most other normal folks, that torturing our children in a burning pit of fire for an extended period of time would be the punishment of choice for any parent, let alone some god that claims to love us...

 

Would you say the same of Norway or Sweden?

 

Let the record show that NOT ONE Christian will even attempt to answer the question. Why? Because they don't have a CLUE!

 

I'm not attacking you. I'm just using you as an example of a typical Christian who knows nothing about his own religion. Those who actually understand Christianity become atheists.

 

wow, you really don't know much history and/or anthropology, do you!

we are where we are today DESPITE religion attempting to hold us back in the dark ages. most of our advances have come about only in the past couple of hundred years, and can be directly attributed to 'the age of enlightenment'. what's that tell ya?

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it does matter, SC. once someone compromises their natural ethics to accommodate such a monster, they're effectively no longer in a position to make sound judgements. we don't want that in the world, do we?

 

This is actually a good question.... and after hearing a hellfire and brimstone sermon by Dr. Billy Graham back in '66.... I became an atheist... until Garner Ted taught me the soul sleep theory that made God seem humane.............. then in 1990 I got into the NDE accounts... some of which are negative... and I got tossed into a total philosophical crisis.... at this time I am convinced of universal salvation that is achieved through an infinite number of resurrections that fulfill Ezekiel 37 plus... and infinite number of reincarnation events as well....both!!!!!????

www.carbonbias.blogspot.ca/

 

anthropology?

No, that is revisionist history. It is part of the anti christian narrative, trying to revise things into some politically correct secular dream, where real facts are glossed over, & bits are picked & chosen to fit a propaganda based agenda, rather than determining truth. I know about the move of revisionism, & it is slowly changing the public's perceptions. That is the goal, not truth.

 

"Revisionist history" and "anti christian narrative" are terms used by Christians to avoid facing the truth. The truth doesn't reflect very well on them. Why don't you try whining to me about "anti christian narrative" AFTER we manage to get one or two atheists elected to Congress. Until then you sound like a rich white kid whining about how blacks are given too much in America. And I notice that you refuse to go anywhere near the question in the OP.

 

Well, personally, I think you're working waaay too hard trying to hang onto a nonsensical story written by a bunch of ignorant sheep herders 2000 years ago. I'd STRONGLY urge you to study Marvel Comic books instead. I think you'd get more from them. But since you have put all that time in thinking about it maybe you can answer these questions:

What is the purpose of "salvation"?

And what is it that you think you are being "saved" from? And why?

 

magic sky fairies don't improve the human condition, humans do.

that's not to say that SOME humans haven't been motivated to improve the human condition by the thought that sky fairies might be watching (and keeping score), but at the end of the day the vast majority of the significant improvements we've seen in the last 200 years have been irrespective of religion. it was only when smart and good people were finally able to take a step away from superstition that our potential could be realised for the first time. this 'distance from god' only really kicked in during the late 1700's, and picked up apace in the early to mid 1800's. just compare 1750 with 1850 - in 1750 things were barely any better than they had been in 1550, but by 1850 the industrial revolution was underway - which brought in its wake many of the boons we take for granted today. there's a REASON we achieved so much in that incredibly short period of time, and it wasn't god.

 

no comment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-Gpep7DocI

 

Funny you should mention comics since most atheist conventions look a lot like Star Trek conventions.

A simple concept like salvation has you stumped? You gotta be kidding.....lolz!

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Something bad had to happen to you for you to spew that much hate and misinformation.

 

You do know how to talk the talk of an ideolog.

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"God" is offering to save you from itself. So say the people who made it up.

 

Meanwhile, back in the REAL WORLD...

This study shows the INVERSE relationship of religious belief with real progress. Of course I don't expect REALITY to have any impact on the beliefs of the ignorant. I highly doubt they can even read the chart. It should be noted that the same Southern states that cause the US to score so highly on religiosity are also dragging us down economically.

 

Oh I understand salvation completely. I'm just wondering how (*)(*)(*)(*)ing stupid you have to be to believe it.

Meanwhile I notice that not one single "Christian" will even attempt an answer to the OP.

In all of literature the only worse demon than the "god" of the Old Testiment is the god of the New Testiment. He goes from being the genocidal drowner of kittens and puppies and bunnie rabbits (all except for 2 of each) over a childish hissy fit to being the ETERNAL torturer of billions of people. Most of whom were primarily guilty of just being born in the wrong country.

By what possible stretch of the imagination do Christians believe this imaginary lunatic of theirs is worthy of being worshipped?

 

Apparently you do not understand the concept.

The OP is silly. It is based on a lie to begin with so there goes your premise.

 

Closed ~ Rule 11

I am all for discussion and debate, even 'passionate' discussion/debate, as long as it is civil. But, the OP of this thread does not conform to Rule 11.