http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/29/us/father-of-boy-with-leukemia-asks-california-school-officials-to-bar-unvaccinated-students.html?_r=0&gwh=A022B0B8FA3943EB1AA96E7ABDE879F3&gwt=pay&assetType=nyt_now It's interesting for me, to know, what is your opinion. And here's the question - Are you "For" or "against" vaccinnes? And tell me, why people think that vaccines may cause autism and other diseases? It's absurd! i thought that people becomes smarter since 1991, huh. We're not in medieval times and i think rejection of the vaccine - a sign of stupidity! http://www.nfid.org/about-vaccines/reasons
They are safe and one has to be really addled in the head and really crappy at processing information to oppose them. I expect the usual paranoids to oppose them.
I am totally for vaccines. But, I am also totally for my choosing which vaccines I, or my minor children, take. "We're not in medieval times and i think rejection of the vaccine - a sign of stupidity!" I always thought blindly doing as you were told by people with a huge financial stake in your compliance was incredibly stupid. I suppose you still believe the "scientists" who said smoking Chesterfield cigarettes was soothing to your throat? The Center for Disease Control has been caught making basic errors and lying on their research. I don't get sick. I suppose it's genetic. I've taken antibiotics less than a dozen times in my life. Now, a rebuttal question. Are you comfortable taking whatever drugs the government tells you to take? Do you believe the government is interested in your welfare? This isn't medieval times, you know. The King doesn't really care about you.
I don't have a problem with an individual making their own choices but those that choose not to vaccinate should bear a punishment if their children catch the disease they didn't inoculate against. The measles outbreak in Cali is an example. Perhaps having your child suffer through measles is a punishment? The science is in they work, its that simple. The stuff about medieval and government control is just absurd transference. What you are saying is when the gov says get a shot don't get a shot because the gov said do it. the science says do it but we wont do it just because the gov said so. Must be in the backwoods of Idaho.
I sure am glad I got vaccinated. I don't know too many boomers who would say differently. We all grew up hearing about crippling diseases. The nation used to be proud of these vaccines.
Vaccines are fine as long as the people are told of their risks. Kids should not receive as many vaccinations on the same day as they do. There have been more serious reactions to vaccinations than has been reported.
I had to have 7 or 8 shots of various immunizations and vaccinations when I deployed to the Gulf war. Having a non-combat related job, I was not one of the 150,000 or so who received the experimental anthrax vaccine. There are stories floating around about how the vaccine may be a contributing factor to Gulf war syndrome, which are various ailments associated with returning veterans of this conflict. The CIA determined that Saddam Hussein and his regime had access to bio-terrorism weapons in the form of anthrax and botulism. Vaccines were developed to potentially protect against exposure to these toxins. I can't say for sure whether the experimenatl anthrax vaccine did indeed cause severe reactions years later in those that received it. What I can say is that refusing to get the vaccine, or any mandated shot for that matter, would have a serious detrimental effect on a person's military career. Basically as I'm sure most veterans on this forum can attest to, we become human pin cushions to some extent, with little to no control over what we're actually be exposed to. We assume a certain amount of trust, that these immunizations/vaccines are being administered to keep us safe and will not harm us down the road. I'm not so sure anymore, but again, I never received either the anthrax or botulism vaccines back in the Gulf war era. However Gulf war syndrome and it's related illnesses appears to be very real. Those that got the shot, stood a good chance of getting sick from it eventually.
The last flu shot I took was for the Swine flu, and wound up in the hospital for 9 days. Haven't taken one since, and no flu. Enjoy!
I can't comment on the anthrax vaccine. I can say though that soldiers seem to be property of the state once you sign up and I sympathize with the risks they take in this regard. The anthrax scare might have been overblown but prudence dictated that they attempt to protect you with the best medicine available at the time.
I hate to tell you this, Katzgar, but "science" doesn't speak. Scientists do. They speak, they lie, they can be bought with grants or cash payments, and they can tell you some truly bizarre things. Does the name Dr. Gruber right a bell? How about Michael Mann? Paul Krugman? Remember the Bird Flu pandemic that fizzled? Remember when AIDS was going to wipe out entire countries? My personal favorite is the banning of DDT. Where the research indicated DDT was safe for humans, a court held that to be the case, but it was banned anyway killing over 30 million people. I suppose that was science speaking. You want a penalty if my child isn't inoculated and gets the measles. Are you also supportive of a penalty if he gets inoculated and gets the measles?
Several items....... Some vaccines are important and have made a big difference, others have not. The measles vaccine was first widely used in 1963, but by 1963 fatalities due to measles had dropped to 0.23 per 100,000 - a very small rate. The same for pertussis. See the attached chart. By the time the vaccines were used, measles and pertussis had already been all but eliminated due to better sanitation, shelter, diet - basically a high quality of life. Also, vaccines do not give life long immunity as actually contracting the illness does. Vaccination provides immunity for up to about 10 years. The vast majority of people do not get boosters after their school years, which means the adult population is generally not immune via vaccination to anything. So why don't we see massive outbreaks of disease? Because of the high standard of life, and because adults have mature immune systems which do a good job of keeping people healthy. The very young have immature immune systems, people with disease and the very old have weakened or compromised immune systems, vaccinations are useful for those people. But the general population doesn't seem to need vaccinations for so many diseases. Third, the US child vaccination program includes more vaccinations than any other nation. Are they all necessary? No. The full vaccination schedule is 29 injections in the first 18 months, plus another 17 between 18 months and 18 years. The high number of vaccinations in the first 18 months (when a child is most susceptible to environmental contamination) is the concern. So, given the lack of disease despite the lack of immunity in the general population, and the high number of vaccinations demanded at such an early age, why the furor over vaccinations? My decision would be to take some of the vaccinations (like polio, MMR, tetanus) but not all. And a related question - if a person and their family has all the vaccinations, why do they care if someone else does not get all the vaccinations? Are they afraid the vaccinations do not work? By high school, a child has been vaccinated for everything so why do they care of another high school student is not vaccinated?
I wish we still had a draft so Americans of all stripes could learn about the government. When the Air Force was sending me to a small island in the Aleutians, Shemya, I was getting shots. One was very painful and I asked what it was. "Yellow fever." "Yellow fever? I'm going to Alaska." "Lot of mosquitoes in Alaska." "And not a damned on gives you yellow fever." The nurse looked at me and said, "We have a ton of yellow fever vaccine that's going out of date and we don't care if you're shipping out to Minot, North Dakota, you get a yellow fever shot." When I was working the government required me, a single man who'd have a vasectomy, to have health insurance that included maternity benefits. Isn't government logic wonderful?
Be thankful. My father had it as a child. For the rest of his life, on a GOOD day, he could walk with a cane.
dude you have some serious serious paranoia issues. like I said up top its you types that cant stand science. by your logic we ban water because some drowned in it.
Oh look, vaccines don't work with any of these virulent diseases which is why epidemiology is such a quack science. http://www.unicef.org/pon96/hevaccin.htm Smallpox Diphtheria Whooping Cough Measles Neonatal tetanus Hep B Polio Might want to take a look at what the CDC says about measles outbreaks in the US: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6236a2.htm
Totally agree, It messed up a lot of kids in the late '40s and early '50s. And Jonas Salk didn't go all Merck on us.
People afraid of vaccinations because it perhaps damages the body should be introduced to wonders of Fiber.
