Your Muslim friends WON'T condemn Mohammad for advocating Jihad against the Infidel

Since your Muslim friends WON'T condemn Mohammad for advocating Jihad against the Infidel, do you agree with me that they are, effectively, running interference for the Jihad terrorists?

If you believe that your Muslim friends are "moderates" (I know they aren't), then just to show that I'm right ask them "Mohammad advocated Jihad against the Infidel, and Jihad causes terrorism, so do you condemn Mohammad for advocating Jihad against the Infidel?"

I myself, know what their answer will be? Do you?

 

Because context doesn't exist in any of those statements, right?

 

Like a "Good Catholic" recognizes the Church's teaching against birth control, rejects abortion as a grave sin, and professes the real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, a "Good Muslim" recognizes what the actual teachings of Islam calls him or her to do. The difference is that the Christian is called to love thy enemy, and the follower of Islam is called to lie to and kill the infidel. Thankfully, most Muslims are cafeteria Muslims.

 

A "good Catholic" should partake in the friendly interreligious dialogue the Catholic Church tries to have with the Muslim world rather than throwing bigotted insults based on ignorance.

 

Do you know anything about the teaching of Islam?

And...ever heard of the Crusades?

 

I certainly don't get what I know about Islam from 'independent' sources such as Robert Spencer and Sam Harris.
I certainly have heard of the crusade in which the population ofJerusalem fared far better when it was conquered by Muslims than when it was conquered by 'loving' Christians, who massacred them.
I have also heard of the Coventry Cross of Nails that gives me hope that old enemies can be reconciled. Apparently your two previous Popes shared equal hopes.

 

What are you on about now?...

Don't fool yourself. The Popes certainly hope for reconciliation, but it won't happen by acceptance of Islam. The Popes also hope for reconciliation with the "Separated Brethren" known as "Protestants," but if you think that means Catholicism accepts heresy, you have another think coming.

BTW--I had to Google those guys you referenced. --and I still don't know who they are.

 

Nobody expects the Pope to convert to Islam. But apparently the two previous ones were more sympathetic towards it than you are.
Here you go, get into the spirit:

http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/pope0264qr.htm

 

#1 Do you see the date on that?

#2 Do you see anything there that says anything contrary to what I said about Islam?

So what if we are "cordial?" I'd expect no less from Christian charity. Islam still teaches that you kill and lie to the infidel. Do you dispute that?

 

Yes, I do dispute that. Or more importantly, these Muslims who know far more about the Qu'ran than I do dispute that: http://www.acommonword.com/

This article reporting on Pope Benedict's response to the open letter that started the "A Common Word" interfaith initiative dates from 2007:

http://www.mirifica.net/printPage.php?aid=4551


If that's still not recent enough for you to take it seriously, this article is from last month:

http://www.majzooban.org/en/news-an...-islam,-says-world-must-do-more-for-poor.html

Seems you're not quite in line with your Churches politics in this issue, Felicity. I understand that Americans were deeply hurt in 9/11, but not only should you not blame a whole religion for the misdeeds of just some of its members, as a Christian you are also called to forgive and to reconciliate. That's why I mentioned the Coventry Cross of Nails: http://www.crossofnails.org/home-eng/

 

Here's their answer.

http://www.albanytribune.com/190420...-capture-boston-marathon-attackers-statement/





Muslim students in Nashville have gathered for a vigil to show their respects for the victims of the Boston Marathon Bombing. We think this is powerful and beautiful.

No matter what your race, religion or country of origin we should have empathy towards one another. At the end of the day we're all human.


They don't appear to share your desire to foment hatred.
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Do you understand the concept of Taqiyya and Kitman?

How can one be sure what is really believed. It is a religion that officially endorses deception.

And as I said, calling for peace and looking for reconciliation and promoting peace is what Christians do. It in NO WAY suggests an acceptance of this deceptive and destructive religion. As I also said, there are many Muslims (fortunately) who don't "know their faith" or practice a "watered down" pick and choose faith. Thank God for that--A Christian on fire for his religion is called to love his neighbor more whether the other agrees with those beliefs or not. A Muslim on fire for his religion isolates and insulates and is called to destroy those who believe differently.

And..to lie about it.

 

The Imam Mohamed Magid in the article quotes this from the Koran:

“If anyone slays a person, it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.”


Check it out. This little gem of a "verse" DOESN'T EXIST. See? DECEPTION.
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/If_Anyone_Slew_a_Person_(Qur'an_5:32)

A verse similar to the non-existant verse reads:

"On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone slew a person - unless it be in retaliation for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew all mankind: and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all humanity. "

Read the WikiIslam article...It's very revealing.

NOW...That said, I don't doubt those individual college students are sincere. Nonetheless, they are either ignorant of the facts about the distortion they are promoting (I hope that is the case), or they are purposefully distorting--in which case, they are spreading an evil lie by misrepresenting what they really believe.

I hope they are just good people and bad Muslims.

 

Lmao , are you purposefully shooting your self in the foot or are you just that stupid, have to admit that's the first time I've seen the crusades being brought up as an attack against Islam it's usually the other way around.

 

Have you read history? Or just anti-Catholic propaganda?

 

I applaud those Muslims for holding that vigil
One way for them to show their compassion is to show up with the Islamic texts that have REMOVED the parts that call for violence/subjugation. That's a great idea.

 

That's great. Now their next step is to condemn Mohammad for advocating JIHAD/HATRED against the Infidel, which is the underlying cause, of course. Hopefully they can take that step in the near future. I believe they want to do good, and that would be the best step. Let's hope that the only thing exploding in the future is PEACE.

 

Where are Spencer/Harris wrong, exactly? Thanks.

Post 9/11 modern Secular Humanism, unlike those 2 religions, doesn't "conquer", instead, it tries to convince people in a peaceful manner - since radical calls to violence are no where to be found in its texts (unlike many religions.)

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Harris on Islam: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfFhCwvluVM

RESPECTFULLY, WHERE IS HE WRONG?

 

As I’ve already indicated: you should spend less time parroting Spencer and Co. and more time actually reading the Wikipedia links you post.

Being a bit of a coward myself I always felt for Peter when he was so scared, that he denied knowing Christ. If you put me into a time machine and sent me back to the Catholic inquisition in full swing, I’d probably recant my ‘heretical’ religious views with my first fingernail being torn out. So with all due respect for the bravery of religious martyrs I must say I find the concessions made by Islam for those who aren’t cut out to martyrdom quite merciful.
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None of the signatories of “A Common Word” was under threat of torture and persecution when signing it. They offered an outstretched hand to revive interfaith dialogue that had come under stress after some of Pope Benedicts remarks in Regensburg had been misunderstood. I strongly advice you follow Pope Franciscus’ demand to build bridges. The first step to do that would be to overcome your irrational mistrust and to grant Islam the same respect that you want to be shown towards your religion. Your bile isn't helpful. That Pope Benedict respectfully took off his shoes when visiting a mosque was helpful.

 

If it hadn't been for the Crusades Islam would have destroyed Christianity.

 

You're welcome.

 

Oh..now I understand. You didn't read my post in context of the conversation. Try again.