|*Your*| Perception of who is Smarter, Leftists or Rightists?

That's amazing. You see that Obamacare was really Romneycare and I see where the right adopted the trimmings of the left on issues like National ID and the so-called "Patriot Act."

Why stop there? Dianne Feinstein was promoting the same immigration laws that Donald Trump ended up campaigning for:

http://articles.latimes.com/1995-03-22/news/mn-45809_1_illegal-immigration

Adding insult to injury, Bill Clinton wanted a wall long before the Tea Party Republicans made a religion out of that one.

Still, it's hard for me to imagine that the demographic groups that are the underachievers are smarter than the right. The left tries to embrace special interest groups, racial, religious, sexual persuasion oriented bloc voters, minorities, the poor, and uneducated.

Put another way: Nancy Pelosi, Tim Kaine, Chuck Schumer, and Adam Schiff versus Marco Rubio, Mike Pence, David Perdue and Susan Collins in a game testing their IQ.

 

Both extreme Left and extreme Right can be anti-humanitarian. I guess more Leftists are extreme.

But Right idea of Freedom and Left idea of Welfare are Humanitarian.

 

It has been said, and I believe to be true, "if you are on the right when you are young iy is because you donn't have a heart. If you are on the left when you are old.....it is because you don't have a brain!"

 

The average person is an insane vagary.

Even if you’re right about some underlying fundamental position, is there really any benefit in making such a big thing about it when it is buried under all the layers of complexity. All it seems to achieve is build resentment and hate, something that sadly seems to be the intent in a lot of cases.

 

They are not. They have no common sense and no logic. Lol. They don't understand how things work. They operate solely on "feelings."

 

You might have blue eyes. But you don't have "these" blue eyes because they are stuck in my head.

 

This should be the leftist theme song.

 

There you go calling people uneducated and uninformed. Just because someone has a piece of paper stating they have completed indoctrination by some educational institution does not mean they are educated and those who have completed the indoctrination are uneducated. Saying someone is uneducated and uninformed is a put down just like the "basket of deplorables". Having a diploma does not mean you are smarter than anyone else, it just means you were able to afford to attend some classes, pay attention and obtain good enough grades to pass. Do you believe the Valedictorian is smarter than you?

 

I agree. This is exactly what they do.

 

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I think that there is a huge difference between uneducated, uninformed, and "basket of deplorables". Correct about having a diploma.
But some of the arguments I get on this site do suggest that the words 'uneducated and uninformed' apply. Whatever Trump says
or does, right or wrong, true or false, is ok with these people, when some research may prove otherwise.

 

When you say thoughtful, do you mean they focus more on the humanitarian aspects of an issue rather than practical aspects?

 

I mean that the most intelligent people on the right look at issues from more novel perspectives and look at a broader range of issues where as the most intelligent people on the left are constrained by political correctness enforced by peer shaming.


Also, I am not convinced that those on the left are all that compassionate. No doubt a few really are, but it seems that the compassion on the left are often motivated by a desire to alleviate guilt:

"Feelings of guilt are a direct threat to one's sense that they are a moral person and, accordingly, research on guilt finds that this emotion elicits strategies aimed at alleviating guilt that do not always involve undoing one's actions. Furthermore, research shows that individuals respond to reminders of their group's moral culpability with feelings of outrage at third-party harm-doing. These findings suggest that feelings of moral outrage, long thought to be grounded solely in concerns with maintaining justice, may sometimes reflect efforts to maintain a moral identity."

https://reason.com/blog/2017/03/01/moral-outrage-is-self-serving

So the left reproduces its world-view by manipulating guilt and shame and those techniques constrain its thinking.

The right certainly has its share of mindless followers, too. I am making observations on the most intelligent of both camps.

 

And like me, Chris lives among the Democrats who are super powerful there and here.

 

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I disagree in that I have found that when Dems are in power, the Repubs engage in dirty tricks and name calling. I grew up as a Democrat and remained that way until Jimmy Carter. I remember that Repubs and Dems always remained friendly outside the
halls of congress. They socialized, had family gatherings together. Then along came Nixon, and it all changed. I have been voting
Republican until George Bush went into Iraq for all the wrong reasons. I consider myself a Republican, but cannot believe
that Trump is the representative, and will never support him.

 

Nixon came ahead of Carter so he can't be to blame if you changed with Carter as I did myself.

Though I did not favor war in Iraq, given the country plus the congress favored it, I tried to explain it and not fight about the war. There is nothing like skin in the game to wake you up about wars. When my uncle got killed in combat in Korea and I as a boy attended his sad funeral, it really made me see war up close. Shortly before Gene was killed in Korea, he and my father were driving with me in the back seat and for me, my uncle was the best of all relatives. I miss him today and I am almost 79. Gene was special for we then kids.

As to supporting Trump or not? I don't tilt at windmills. I know he is president. I put less value on presidents it seems to me than the Democrats do and many of the republicans as well. They think of him as some special supreme leader and even thought Obama is great. I do not. I see Trump as the man who with the reluctant votes by the congress allow him to stack a cabinet. The entire team has to be evaluated, not merely Trump.

Anyway, to me Trump is simply the man who holds a job that allows him to select managers. I see little bad he has done. I am more pleased with Tillerson than i expected to be.

 

OMG so correct. It is uncanny how your eyes are like my eyes in color. I bet at times yours seem much darker.

 

I still considered myself to be a Democrat after Nixon, but Carter was so inept that I felt that Reagan was the best choice for me.
Bush said there were weapons of mass destruction, and I supported the war for that reason, only to learn that there were no
weapons of mass destruction, but a desire to kill Sadaam because he tried to assassinate Bush senior after he had left office.
I appreciate that thought, but not at the expense of our sons and daughters.
As for Trump, he has one or two good people, and too many poor choices that he chose from his supporters.He does not know what he does not know, and thinks he "knows more than the Generals". Reagan knew what he didn't know, and surrounded himself with highly competent people who helped him tremendously. With Reagan, it was America first, and supporters second. Trump complains about "fake" news, which is the stuff he gives them for the most part. He attacks the free press incessantly when he doesn't like the criticism. He attacks our allies, and embraces our opposition because he thinks he has a nice relationship with them personally.
I fear for our democracy with Trump as president.

 

I answered this poll. But I really wonder about whoever started it. Just to make trouble??

 

I believe most supporting Trump wants him to try his ideas and change the direction the country was headed. If Trump actually does something illegal then most would no longer support him. Simply doing something one does not agree with does not mean he has to be removed.

 

My view is that Trump's base doesn't care that he may do something illegal. They will simply rationalize it. I also agree that Trump
wants to make changes, but he is like a bull in a china shop, and his history indicates to me that he is not the person to affect change.
As far as the "uninformed and uneducated" is concerned, a higher education than grade school or high school is important to the socialization and maturation process and will also expose you to more expansive viewpoints, liberal and conservative, which will enable you to make educated and informed decisions. In other words you will be able to make decisions based on more than one point of view, when you experience the experience. There are many educated people who side with the Republicans and they were exposed to both sides of the spectrum. So it is a good thing. I fall into this category.

 

I agree some trump supporters would support him no matter what he does but I do not believe it is even half certainly not most.

The way you describe higher education is the way it used to be but here lately it seems as though many if not most colleges have turned liberal and some won't even allow for conservative thought or speakers. So now it seems as though a person gets indoctrinated into liberalism instead of educated.

 

Some folks start that way maybe, but become more realistic as time passes and exposure increases , and still may make that choice.
I remember that it was always this way. Liberals like to protest, kind of like going to a party. A few years ago, a woman And I were talking and she told me that she was going to "Nationals" that weekend (figure skating). On the was she said that she may stop by and
march in Washington for an hour or two with the protestors before continuing on to "Nationals'. Didn't sound committed to me. Only
one person, but I am sure that there were more.

 

I suppress Trump right now, but if concrete proof comes out I may change it must be proof not unsubstantiated accusations do inuendo.

 

I think that is a bit of a cop out. The OP acknowledged this reality and was talking about averages among large groups.

Smile, I have a different cop out!
I think there are different types of intelligence.
My hunch is that, on average, leftists have a higher acedemic accomplishment, higher in IQ
My hunch is that rightists will tend to have a higher Practical or entrepreneurial intelligence
Leftists more likely to have a job, maybe even a good job
rightists more likely to own or run a business

 

I personally am part of the political right.... I am a pretty strong supporter of President Trump but........
I have gotten the impression that the most educated Americans and Canadians..... . who would score the highest on IQ and aptitude tests....... tend toward the political left.

I was taking the definition of "smarter" as referring to IQ and aptitude.... but I do believe that we people on the political right tend to be "wiser" with our feet planted more firmly on the ground.

Al Gore is very, very bright....... but he lacks intellectual honesty...... and probably has a brilliant argument in his head why he will not look at a more practical and down to earth way to address stabilization of the climate than a carbon tax.

Imagine the hockey stick shaped graph that he did in An Inconvenient Truth....... how long would it take a carbon tax to turn the graph...... off at a ninety degree angle???

A century.... two centuries.... three centuries??????

Thus....... Mr. Carl Cantrell and my application for his Virgin Earth Challenge back in 2007 and 2008.... that can be read in posts # 5 and 6 here:



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