Your stance on gun control...

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by onalandline, May 15, 2011.

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What is your stance on gun control in the United States?

  1. I am a gun owner, and support more gun control.

    9.3%
  2. I am a gun owner, and support the status quo.

    9.3%
  3. I am a gun owner, and support less gun control.

    48.1%
  4. I am not a gun owner, and support more gun control.

    9.9%
  5. I am not a gun owner, and support the status quo.

    6.8%
  6. I am not a gun owner, and support less gun control.

    16.7%
  1. JPSartre

    JPSartre New Member

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    It has two 88mm turbochargers giving it 20-25psi of boost. It runs on c16 fuel which has a 117 octane rating. Since it's a big block Chevy motor with a long stroke, rpm range will be kept below 8,000rpm.
     
  2. dixiehunter

    dixiehunter Banned

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    My stance on Gun Control is this...."If you can grip the gun comfortably in your hand. It Fits......Buy It".

    Will be one of the best investments you ever made.:)
     
  3. SpotsCat

    SpotsCat New Member Past Donor

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    Again, I'm afraid you're mistaken. I didn't vote for less gun control, I voted to maintain the status quo - in other words, leave evrything alone.

    Whether or not you've been harangued about your viewpoint on assault weapons vis-a-vis hunting/sporting rifles is immaterial. There is a substantial difference between the two IMHO, and my viewpoint is consistent - I don't think that an assault weapon is any more deadly than a conventional rifle. Granted, the assault rifle may have a higher rate-of-fire, but one 30.06 hollow-point to the head is just as deadly as 15.

    Yep, sure did miss it - I don't read every post in every thread. If Whaler17 goes hunting with assault weapons and/or pistols, I wish him/her the best of luck - not only for his sake, but for the humane sake of the animal(s) s/he hunts.

    They're not buying civilian-style military weapons, they're buying genuine, full-blown former Soviet-bloc AK-47's. They're buying weapons based upon military designs - not sporting rifles, not hunting shotguns, military-style weapons.

    If I go to an arms bazaar in Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, or any of the other 'Stan's and buy a Soviet nuclear warhead - have I just bought a civilian-style nuclear weapon? Did I just buy this warhead on the civilian market?

    What do we do about this problem? I say we let the BATF do their jobs stopping the weapons, instead of trying to run a "sting operation". In all honesty though, considering the tremendous amounts of illegal narcotics (as well as illegal aliens) than have flowed into this country across the Southern border, the fact that Mexico now has to deal with the proverbial "chickens come home to roost" seems to be to be a bit of street-level payback.

    Besides, 100 AK-47's on the streets of Monterey, Mexico doesn't concern me 1/10th as much as 100 AK-47's on the streets of Jackson, Mississippi, or Little Rock, Arkansas, or Denver, Colorado, or any other American city.

    BTW - Insofar as my views on the assault weapons ban... start another thread, and I'll reply.
     
  4. dixiehunter

    dixiehunter Banned

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    My stance on gun control?....Starts with a strong grip of the gun. And keep you eye's on the target.​
     
  5. SpotsCat

    SpotsCat New Member Past Donor

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    What he said - :thumbsup:
     
  6. Danct

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    Then your argument IS inconsistent.

    You can't, on one hand say that these guns are dangerous and military grade when smuggled into Mexico, saying; "these are by no means "civilian" weapons, they're mainly military-style weapons that are being sold on the civilian market", and then claim that these very same guns are no more "deadly than a conventional rifle". It is inconsistent and convenient.







    You're mistaken. They are buying the full gamut of what we have to offer here. They seem to prefer the semi-auto knock-offs such as the AR-15 and the AK-47 variants which are sold here as civilian weapons and are referred to by yourself here when you said; "I don't think that an assault weapon is any more deadly than a conventional rifle".

    Apparently, you prefer to play both sides of the fence.






    Red herring. An "arms bazaar in Uzbekistan" has no relevance to this conversation. We are discussing the distinction between Fully auto knock-offs that are sold in this country legally as semi-auto civilian weaponry which are no more deadly than sporting or hunting rifles.

    I suggest that you step back and consider what you are actually arguing here.
     
  7. Danct

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    Don't encourage him, .....he's trolling again.
     
  8. lauraann290

    lauraann290 New Member

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    What about in the hands of a young woman? :)
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    AK-47's sold in the U.S. are semi-autos, and aren't that much more powerful than many high power hunting rifles.
     
  9. dixiehunter

    dixiehunter Banned

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    Nice posture and stance....Good to see that.

    "REMEMBER ....KEEP YOUR POWDER DRY, AND YOUR EYES ON THE TARGET".​
     
  10. NoPartyAffiliation

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    I'm a gun owner and I support more gun control and more importantly, more enforcement.
    I think one of the biggest problems is the ease with which people can get a license to sell arms. $30 bucks, a background check and the chances are, you'll never be audited, inspected or see anyone from ATF for the rest of your life. I don't see the problem being places like The Gun Store here in Vegas (which is great btw) but with all the "out of home" dealers. Which is what the FBI says is the biggest source of guns for gangs etc...
    With over a quarter of a million gun dealers in this country, guess what? If one out of thousand is bent, that would be over 25,000 gun dealers selling illegally. If only 1 out of 2500 is bad, that's over 10,000 illegal dealers. That's STILL a lot.
    I don't care so much about people who pass their background check and own a gun. I do care about the people selling them illegally.
     
  11. SpotsCat

    SpotsCat New Member Past Donor

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    No, you're merely trying to find inconsistency in order to bolster your position.

    In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter if you get shot in the head with an AK-47, or an .243 deer rifle - you're dead. Therefore, an AK-47 is no more deadly than any other firearm.

    But, what makes it so dangerous, is it's ability to be converted to fully-automatic fire. Now, instead of having a traditional bolt-action sporting/hunting rifle, you are now in possession of a genuine fully-automatic, lead-spraying instrument of death and destruction. And remember, this is Mexico - the BATF restrictions regarding fully-automatic conversion kits do not apply. Buy an AK-47, take it across the border and rework the receivers, and it's now a fully-automatic AK-47.

    Compare that to my civilian bolt action deer rifle. Show me how I can make my bolt-action deer rifle fully automatic.

    Show me proof. I've posted statistics from the Dept. of State that shows the top six weapons are two assault rifles, three military-style pistols, and a .380 pistol - show me what else they're buying. I'd like to know how many .22 rifles, .38 snubnose Special revolvers, and .410 shotguns are being used in the drug wars in Mexico.
     
  12. dixiehunter

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    Oh!.....Hey Genious...And what do you call what you just did.?​
     
  13. Danct

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    What a fluid and morphing argument you're making, SpotsCat. You have professed to not care about deer rifles going into Mexico, and yet go out of your way to announce how they are just as lethal as the weapons you're more concerned about. What a puzzling argument.





    Look, your original argument was that Mexican gun runners were NOT getting their guns from US gun shows. Remember? You said;
    "So... the question is: "Where are the drug cartels getting these military armaments from?" It ain't your local gun show, that's for sure!" here

    Now you want to change horses in mid stream and argue that the gun runners aren't buying 22's (as if that were the best available at gun shows), when they ARE buying AR-15's (yes, at gun shows) and trafficking them into Mexico.



    Perhaps the best way for you to make a more valid argument would be for you to state your position on gun show sales and assault weapon sales in this country while acknowledging that some fairly fierce weaponry is widely available in gun stores and gun shows in this country, some of which are then trafficked across the border into Mexico. I think it's time for you to admit your error and put what's left of your argument, if you have one on a more solid footing.
     
  14. Anders Hoveland

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    I do not own any guns, but I will shoot anyone who tries to take guns away from anyone else!

    (although I am against guns that can easily be fitted to automatic function, and recognize that people who have comitted violent crimes should possibly not be allowed to have guns)
     
  15. dixiehunter

    dixiehunter Banned

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    There is always going to be a Black Market on any type of item that is illegal to own.​
     
  16. SpotsCat

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    What's puzzling about it? The more guns that go into Mexico, the less there are on the streets of cities in the United States. The problem still exists, it just goes elsewhere.

    I just despise all the A2A'rs using this as a rallying point to try to further restrict my ability to buy a firearm at my local gun show. And considering that a substantial amount of this flow of firearms into Mexico was as a result of a BATF operation - I'm really concerned about whether or not our government isn't trying to create a situation in order to further an agenda!


    Oh my! You should honestly consider a career as an editor at one of the alphabet networks - you've just demonstrated a perfect working example of selective soundbite editing!

    Let's read my entire comment, shall we?

    Originally I wrote --

    The army found 150 rifles, pistols and shotguns, 92,000 rounds of ammunition, four mortar shells and two rocket-propelled grenades. The cache was found at a ranch in the northern state Coahuila that borders the United States.

    I don't know if you've ever been to a gun show or not, but I've been to a couple, and you're going to have to trust me on this --

    You absolutely, positively, CANNOT buy a tank, a rocket-propelled grenade, a bazooka, a landmine, or mortar shells at a gun show!

    So... the question is: "Where are the drug cartels getting these military armaments from?" It ain't your local gun show, that's for sure!


    Not, "Where are the drug cartels getting their AK-47's and AR-15's from? But, "Where are the drug cartels getting these military armaments - tanks, RPG's, bazookas, landmines, mortar shells, etc. - from? There's a HUGE difference between an assault rifle and a bazooka, a pistol and a landmine - as I'm sure you know.

    I'll work on that. You work on finding out how many .22 rifles, .410 shotguns, and .38 Special snubnose revolvers are finding their way across the border, okay?
     
  17. Danct

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    Ridiculous, utterly unsubstantiated, and totally irrelevant to my post. Congratulations, you hit the trifecta.





    Ah, so the truth rears its head. So this has nothing to do with facts or logic for you, and everything to do with an irrational fear. Good to know.








    You have consistently clouded the issue with red herrings about 22's and by repeatedly refusing to acknowledge the movement of semi-auto military look-alike weapons and 50 caliber rifles into Mexico. All of which are easily purchased in US gun stores and yes, US gun shows. You have even admitted that you feel uneasy about the semi-autos moving into Mexico because of their easy manipulation into a fully auto weapon, but attempt to get around this contradiction by stating that these weapons are not "civilian grade" even though they are sold as such here.



    Face it, your whole argument on this is fluid and obviously has not been checked by any sort of critical thought. Rather it is apparently motivated completely by an emotional reaction to a perceived encroachment on your beloved gun shows.
     
  18. dixiehunter

    dixiehunter Banned

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    "If guns cause crime, mine are defective".
    Ted Nugent​
     
  19. Reiver

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    Ted probably doesn't understand elasticities and their use in testing the crime hypothesis.
     
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    My stance on control is usually prone. I find it helps steady my aim. as for .22's. a well placed shot at the base of the neck will sever the spin and kill instantly. I have several weapons in the house, all loaded. My 12 yr old daughter is a dead shot with my .22 semi-auto carbine. The only thing gun control laws do is take away the ability of private citizens to defend themselves.
     
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    So would you have a wife batterer free access to guns?
     
  22. dixiehunter

    dixiehunter Banned

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    "Firearms are second only to the Constitution in Importance, They are the peoples liberty's teeth."
    George Washington

     
  23. Joe Six-pack

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    I am not a gun owner and I support zero 'gun control.'

    Why do you need to control guns when it's easier to kill people with a knife.

    Now "knife control..." that's an idea.
     
  24. Reiver

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    Then you believe in a result consistent with greater coercion.
     
  25. Danct

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    I see that you're new here. The longer you stick around the more you'll learn that your conclusion is a false one. Bumper sticker slogans don't always stand the test of reason and logic as you'll soon learn.
     

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