Youtube to remove extremist sites

So I guess this is a celebration thread for the death of free speech?

 

See what a Pandora's Box they've opened by starting down this slippery slope of censorship?

The left may be cheering this today ---- thinking it will only adversely effect their political opponents ---- but anyone (on either side) with even half a brain should see the potential for abuse.

The only ones celebrating this are the far-left liberals and progressives who see this as a victory to silence their opposition, but are too short-sighted to see the long-term potential for abuse.

 

This is not Censorship

You have a right to have a sign in your front yard that says "Abortion is killing", but you DON'T have the right to put that sign in MY front yard.

This idea that you have a right to "free speech" on someone else's platform is not based in reality. The fact that each platform has "terms and conditions" proves that out. Try putting pornography on Youtube, and it will get pulled. Thats no different than someone putting up pro or anti abortion messages right ? Both are "speech".

 

This isn't "liberals." This is YouTube corporate curating their platform, probably to avoid losing advertisers. Everything they do is ultimately guided by money, not ideology. This "censorship" is no different from a forum poster being banned for breaking rules or violating guidelines.

 

Yeah what value is freedom of speech. Someone could say something you don't like.

 

Someone could yell "fire!" in a crowded theater.

 

Well the reluctant to just drop the hammer so that means they're worried about image.

But I think what this whole YouTube thing boils down to is that older media like television and newspapers are dying. Newspapers are dead. And the corporations that hold those organizations have you invested incredibly in Media and they've tried to get into YouTube but they don't get a very big audience on YouTube. Because they're brain-dead it's just TV on your cell phone.

I think what's happening Here is that alphabet the company that owns YouTube and Google really likes televised media, and doesn't want to be the one that turns the lights off.

The older you get the more value you placed on things from when you were younger. It's very rare to see an older person that's future minded. they normally like the music they liked when they were a kid that like the food they had one there they live in that culture they're just incubating it. I remember I kept hearing about how the department stores were all shutting down years ago. I was pretty young man at the time and I couldn't figure out why anyone was concerned. Nobody bought anything from them everything they had was way overpriced, much of it you could find on line for a fifth of the price.

I think this desire to preserve television media is like the same thing that people felt when Sears shut down.

Where does all seem to originated was a character on vox who is openly gay talks about it all the time in case you could ever forget was angry about somebody dunking everything he ever said. At least that's the show. Vox is owned by Disney. Disney I don't know if it's become this or if I just had stars in my eyes from when I was a kid watching Disney films, they have become a corrupt dirt bag company. I would have to say one of the worst organizations in the media today.

So this is about Disney crushing their competition.

 

This argument is so stupid I don't know how I could possibly address it. But I'll try.

YouTube isn't a crowded theater, it's typically consumed on an individual basis so starting panic won't cause people to be trampled.

So your analogy is so incredibly poor it's indicative of someone who doesn't understand the first thing about the discussion.

The only thing that I could see a legitimate restriction on free speech with regard to YouTube is incitement. Incitement is a specific call to violence.

 

YouTube corporate as well as all of silicon valley is ultra-left. If it was about money and losing advertisement they would be doing everything they could to keep advertisement on many channels as possible. Curating content does the opposite.

what they're doing is strictly guided by political ideology. If it was guided by money that would be shooting themselves in the foot.

You don't take the one person that more people watch than anybody else not just on your platform but in all media and remove their ability to have ads. And that's exactly what YouTube did. That person went and found his own sponsors and runs ads for them and YouTube doesn't get a cut.

That if you're interested in making money is the absolute dumbest thing you could possibly do.

 

Sometimes, people say things that manipulate other people into harming and killing others, as right-wing extremists have recently been doing.

 

It's interesting that you're eager to circle the wagons around Neo Nazis.

 

So you think there's a couple of right-wingers brainwashing hypnotizing or programming people?

Have you heard that the world is actually flat?

 

It's interesting how you use fear of some evil to justify the removal of liberty. That's the classic manipulation technique of a dictator.

 

Damn brah... you are on a roll.... the best of a bunch of epic posts..... extremely well argued.

 

Will this whole Neo-Nazi thing is starting to really become a problem. What it seems they're doing is defining anyone they disagree with as a Neo-Nazi, that makes them the extremist.

 

only agree if they are trying to spread violence

 

Wonder if they'll remove Friday at Freddy's--it's violent, depraved, and filled with hate. Bet they don't.

 

will this site allow such?... most wont, I do not consider this site extremist because of their TOS

someone will have to create another site for such, may not be as popular, but they are free to do so - youtube is not the government, no one is stopping them

 

Certainly a private entity has the right to exclude or include whatever content they wish, but it will be interesting to see what definitions and principles they provide for guidance, and how it is enforced. As one example, anti-gun idealist showing bullet-riddled bodies; pro-gun activists showing the violence of a home invasion.

And be careful with that word "discrimination", it is used very loosey. For example, the one we marry over others, the philosophies we choose against all else, and the places we vacation rather than the ones we don't.

As a human action, "discrimination" is not evil. Its morality depends on its motivation and destination. Is it irrational bitterness, hatred, fear, envy, or loathing, or is it just a personal preference of style and taste?

And lastly, there is one fundamental principle that is always forgotten in these debates, property rights. Certainly, in a free nation, America notwithstanding, a free man is free to associate, befriend, interact with, contract with, any damn person he frigging feels like. Same goes for businesses. And to say the least, it certainly isn't the government's, society's, or my annoying nosey neighbor's, concern.

 

I don't know what you mean by such it doesn't seem to work with anything in my post so... Yeah.

in the phrase YouTube is not the government no one is stopping them what the hell do you mean by that?

Stopping who from what what is such what are you talkin about?

 

facebook I think has a auto system that bans if so many people complain, they really need more employees as many people complain about stuff they are just trying to silence

I woudl create a score for people that make flase claims too, and ban them as well

 

maybe I misread your post, I though you were saying having a TOS that people have to follow was extremist for a site to have

 

Advocating hate and violence on a platform controlled by a private entity is not a matter of liberty. You're at liberty to follow the rules they set or leave the platform, just as you and I are at liberty to follow the rules of this forum or get the boot.

 

example of a bad call

"Facebook Bans Millions of Keto Diet Followers (Banting 7-Day Meal Plans) ft. Rita Venter"

https://hvmn.com/podcast/banting-facebook-group-ft-rita-venter-ep-115

Vegans hate Keto, so they file false complaints

this is a balancing act, there has to be real people making sure complaints are valid

 

More than a couple, and sans the hypnosis.