Zelensky: 31K UAF personnel KIA in war with Russia.

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    https:// www.uawire.org/zelensky-31-000-ukrainian-soldiers-killed-in-war-with-russia

    Wow....pretty good for UAF ..if so.....as of this morning 416000 dead Zorcs....850 KIA yesterday.....which probably translates to over 500k dead orcs?.....15:1 kill ratio for the UAF....NATO weapons worth their iron....:).


    Here is RooZzki Mir in temporarily occupied Crimea....too funny.

    https://x.com/igorsushko/status/1761491311243468855?s=20

    Robotyne in RuZzki hands?....seems not.

    https://x.com/astraiaintel/status/1761516306342228218?s=20
     
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    Ukraine is seriously thinking about drafting 500,000 more soldiers, holding bank accounts hostage to force people to comply. Pretty draconian. If people think it is worth fighting the war, they will show up. If people don't show up, then obviously it is not important enough to them, and peace should be negotiated with Russia. The draft is a terrible idea. It decreases the quality of soldiers, lowers morale, and increases casualties.

     
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    Pro-Kremlin nonsense. If national defense requires more than a professional, volunteer army, then so it goes. The US would draft people into service if it faced such a desperate situation, and rightly so.
     
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    Here's a good example of Neverussia, RuZzki Mir, epic fails in occupied territory.

    Medvedev....probably pi$$Ed outta his tree....admits the failure.

    https://x.com/den_kazansky/status/1761695911686578431?s=20
     
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    Screw the draft. I'd help my kids go to Canada if they didn't want to serve.
    When I was a drill sergeant in the Army, the job was shitty enough dealing with volunteers. It would be a ****ing nightmare with kids who didn't want to be there in the first place. Send the politicians into battle first. I bet they come up with an alternative real quick, with peace treaties being signed.
     
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    I guess some people have a different sense of patriotism and duty to their country.

    But I'd love to see Putin, Medvedev et al. sent into combat and leading the charge personally. I can certainly agree with you on that point.
     
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    Like a scene straight out of a movie. Demented Medvedev.
     
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    The patriotic thing to do is NOT get your countrymen killed. A draft would increase the death rate, when so many are already dead. The whole conflict has been such a waste of life, and needlessly so. Peace would have been made years ago if not for the West prolonging the conflict needlessly. In the end the results will likely be the same, but with hundreds of thousands needlessly dead.
     
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    There you go blaming us and not the aggressor again. Putin has infected a lot of people in this country with his propaganda, and this is the result. If Hitler had had access to the internet, we'd be seeing similar arguments blaming us for his aggression in Europe.
     
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    Yep....lotsa MAGA Trumpists puking out Kremlin talking points.
     
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    I blame NATO, which the US is pretty much the effective leader of. And, once again, I do not agree with Putin invading, and I am not at all a fan of his. I merely point out the reality of the situation. Throwing endless lives into the meatgrinder is just...stupid. And the reality is that NATO, lead by the US, have prolonged the conflict. That doesn't at all mean I am a fan of Putin. But I am even less a fan of the senseless slaughter of human beings. I condemn Russia's invasion. That doesn't mean I agree with sacrificing hundreds of thousands for a conflict that will not be won.

    Pyrrhic victories are ****ing stupid. If you cannot win decisively, find another solution that you can live with.
     
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    Yeah, no. I would never vote for Trump.
     
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    That's too bad. Shouldn't start ISH you can't finish.
     
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    "Find another solution that you can live with"....true.

    Putler doesn't understand a concept like that.....or even living with it.
     
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    Yeah....Dwarfstan sure phucked up.
     
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    You keep assuming that preserving life is more important than stopping the guy and the army that is out to destroy lives in order to destroy a nation and end the freedom of those they do not kill in the process of capturing or destroying their homes.

    The blame for the conflict and the loss of life should be on Putin, of whom you are "not a fan." Good for you, but why the **** do you blame NATO for any of this? The Ukrainians choose to fight to defend their lives, their right to exist separate from Putin's Russia, their future as a people and a nation, and that is their right. Furthermore, they would continue this fight even without our support, and more of them would die in that case since they would have less weaponry and less effective weaponry than they do now. Why on earth do you think it's right to allow Putin to invade and take away their lives, homes, democratic freedoms, even their national identity, language and culture? It boggles the mind that anyone could think this way.

    And you know what else? More lives will be lost the longer Putin is allowed to succeed, because he won't stop. He won't be satisfied with what he takes in this conflict, assuming he is allowed to keep what he takes. He wasn't satisfied with Crimea in 2014, and here we are. This is not NATO's fault nor America's fault in the slightest.
     
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    Proof? He offered a peace deal early on, which would have ended the war with Ukraine ceding some territory. That is infinitely better than the meatgrinder that has occurred since then. It seems it is the West that doesn't understand the concept.

    Pragmatism where everyone lives is better than a Pyrrhic victory where an entire generation is wiped out.
     
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    This war started 10 yrs ago....since then it was a gradual buildup to the bigger conflict...."ceding some territory?.....sure....then we're back here "negotiating" again?

    Do we negotiate Baltics, Poland, Moldova, maybe Finland?....how about Alaska?
     
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    Why would any of that be in negotiations? You been in that Kool-Aid again?
     
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    F-16s and A-10s could certainly save lives. At least, the lives that matter.

    The Ukraine Air-War in 2024 - Interviewing Professor Justin Bronk
     
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    All lives matter.
     
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    Then they had better take action to preserve their lives. I would suggest that the orcs go home and kill the madman in the Kremlin who sends them to their death for no valid reason.
     
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    Dehumanizing people... real cute. Same BS that is going on with dehumanizing Palestinians.
     
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    Same BS that the side you support has been doing to the "hohols" for a very long time already. The stalling of US aid to Ukraine that you support is costing thousands of lives, by the way. You're achieving the opposite of your stated goal.
     
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