Zeno's Paradox and the Beginning of the Universe

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  1. Channe

    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If any unit of time and distance can be cut in half, couldn't it be argued the Universe has existed forever in both time and space ?

    For when the Universe was .0000000005 seconds old, there was then a time when it was .00000000005 years old.

    And when the Universe was .0000000005 inches wide, there was a time when it was .000000000005 inches wide.

    For this reason, what's wrong with just taking a logical guess that the Universe (time, space, matter) has existed forever in some form or another ?
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Since the universe originates from quantum foam no one has any idea how large it is. We are confined to our small visible universe, which is comparable to looking at a single rose bud and not being able to see anything else.

    This is a nifty site. Move the cursor all the way to the right and you will see the small area that comprises our observable universe.
    http://scaleofuniverse.com/
     
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    Depends on what you mean by time. Zeno's paradox is solved in its normal version and I see no reason why the same argument doesn't apply here. In the understanding of time you are referring to, you're simply not addressing "forever" since you refuse to look at negative times.

    There is however proper time and coordinate time, which to some extent explains the problem. Time as we know it kinda shrivels up towards the beginning of the universe. While proper time starts there, we have a concept of time that goes beyond it but is consequentially not very useful at those times.
     
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    What exists beyond what we can see?
    What exists beyond what we know?
    What chance is there we can know what we do not know, and is there actually something there if it cannot be observed?

    Until we see it.....it is not a reality?

    Ask Schrodinger......and his Cat.
     
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    Sorry - but the argument from Zenon shows that we are able to approximate a point where time and space was not existing. You are not able to reach with this method a second -1 (minus one). You are only able to reach a second 0 with 0 inches width where all energy existed. Suddenly everything was here.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7ESonXLbkk
     
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    Exactly.

    "Nothing exists until the Wave Function is collapsed upon observation."
    (Copenhagen Interpretation of the Double Slit Experiment)

    This is the scientific basis for establishing a Creator God in the beginning which/whom necessarily observed the cosmic Reality that we recognize is now factually there.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Would that mean that WE are the creator god?

    It is through our observation that the universe exists at all, as far as we "Know".....anything beyond that is imagined speculation.
     
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    That site blew my mind. I also was not suprised to see Rhode Island again being used as a unit of measurement.

    ETA: And other States as well.
     
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    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Hmmm,...

    The way I see this is that In the beginning,... God observed the Creation and we became part of it.
    It is the future that depends upon our further observation, in that we must work to see the right things "happen," observably, for our species to evolve into that future.
     
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    If I would be god then I would know nothing about my existance. We are in the center of the big bang - everywhere - always. We are [a part of] the universe. We don't know what was before the universe started. If no time was "before" then there was not "before" at all. In this case I would not know how to combine the word "observer" with an absence of time.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA9QUnloZtw
     
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    You have an interesting understanding.
     

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