Zero.... "GOD"....Moses....Jesus Christ....2011....Priests....the Evolution of "God".

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  1. polscie

    polscie New Member

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    God does not exist.
    Belief in "God" has its own evolution.

    The initial definition of "God" is not the modern day definition.

    Because Man is becoming intelligent, this intelligence also applies
    to how "god" is perceived based in real time.

    Man created Jesus christ because the unseen definition of "god"
    is getting moot and academic due to the changing terms of technology.

    God..........moses........ .jesus christ.........priests...........
    sooner they will run out of any model acceptable to the most progressive
    and advance
    type of society.

    god does not exist.

    look at the evolution of godself.

    polscie.


     
  2. Incorporeal

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    OK, you have expressed your opinion, but have not presented any evidence to support your imaginations and bring them anywhere close to being considered as fact. Now what?
     
  3. Edguy

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    And where is your evidence that god exists?
     
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    The evidence is all around you, but you reject its existence just like I reject the numbering system assigned to the periodic table,,, because it has not been proven... Presumably you accept that numbering system as being 'factual' in the same manner as I accept the existence of God as being "factual".
     
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    I actually mentioned this topic to a scientist once who was serving as my proffessor in one of my classes in college. Do you know what she told me? It's honestly impossible to properly compare Science and Religion. Her reasoning? Science has it's theories, but we can't make all of them completely fact and law because we don't have any way to study everything perfectly accurately. Religion has it's beliefs, but it cannot honestly prove them in the way that scientists do. I think that is absolutely true.
     
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    was the answer that was supplied to you influence you at all?

    polscie
     
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    I'm sorry, I don't quite understand your question. Come again?
     
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    Years ago my Professor for New Testament Studies (scientific) made a similar statement to comfort some of my fellow students who felt a certain level of despair when being confronted with scientific theories that were at odds with their personal religious beliefs:

    "Science is one thing, faith is another."

    By now I've forgotten most of what I learned in his excellent lessons, but that sentence stuck with me.
     
  9. polscie

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    did your professor influence your personal viewpoints regarding the topic?

    polscie
     
  10. polscie

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    FAITH.
    faith is the one and only thing left for the believers of the claim of "god"...........everything possible and reasonable
    explanations about god have been consumed already and all up they have collapsed so the authority have used
    the last card on their sleeve in order to cling on the power.

    polscie.
     
  11. moisoha

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    well. Yes. I had never thought of it like that before, that they really weren't comparable. It makes it hard to argue about which is right.
     
  12. polscie

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    arguing rightfully isn't hard, because this is a constant struggle.
    you just have to produce your own materials to defeat the other.

    polscie.
     
  13. junobet

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    Wikipedia puts it quite nicely:

    "Religious faith appeals to transcendent reality, or that reality which is beyond the range of normal physical experience (e.g. the future). Transcendent reality, in this view, constitutes a realm which is off limits to material measurement and other rigors of scientific inquiry such as falsifiability and reproducibility. (...) Some critics of faith have argued that faith is opposed to reason. In contrast, some advocates of faith argue that the proper domain of faith concerns questions which cannot be settled by evidence." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith#Christianity

    And to add a quote by that great theologian Bonhoeffer:

    “A God who let us prove his existence would be an idol.”

    The belief and trust in a force that is commonly called God and science are not mutually exclusive (unless of course maybe for people whose faith rests on a literal understanding of the bible what makes them fear that the wall will be falling when you take one brick, as for instance the idea of this world's age, out of it).

    In fact my husband, who is an agnostic, says the fascinating world of science, that opens up more and more mindblowing insights into the mysteries of this wonderful universe of ours, a universe that we'll probably never understand fully, brings him closer to faith. And I have to agree.
     
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    What is it that causes people to engage in religious bigotry? Religion, after all, is a matter of personal belief. Why is it that non believers and believers alike must be evangelistic? Why not persecute people because you don't like their favorite color or because you don't like the month in which they were born? It absolutely stupefies me.
     
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    Well, its obvious the definition of god evolves over time.

    The ultimate irony is the theists hostility towards atheism, when they themselves are atheist to all but one god. Some how that one god is more real than the others even when they is nothing to demonstrate this validity.
     
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    Of course arguing isn't hard, it just makes it harder to get an actual answer that everyone can believe in. My point is that I think if you're arguing for the sake of arguing then go for it, but if you're arguing to make someone think differently then you may as well give up now. They're too different.
     
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    Absolutely. When two or more opposing philosophies attempt to discuss something of common interest, there will be little or no chance of one philosophy convincing the other of anything.
     
  18. polscie

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    I know they too, are different........and
    convincing them to join my wagon is a high task.............but,
    you have to take note that if ever I am presenting my beliefs and philosopies
    I am also selling it to the rest of the viewers, not solely to whom my arguments are directly at.

    polscie.
     
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    what proof do you have of some dude on a thrown?

    Could it be from the book called a 'canon'?

    Now science and the periodic chart has been used for chemistry and actually used in creating that computer you are tapping on, did the bible?

    Medical science is why the population explosion of the last 200 yrs, did any theology assist?

    You are alive, right now because of science................ not because of theology or any god, but are you man enough to admit it?


    Are you just pissed at the periodic chart of elements because you have learned that carbon is the base element to your whole body and the life that lives upon it has a number you are scared of?

    For the few who may not know this but carbon 12 is the most abundant isotope of carbon on the earth and every human life anyone ever even heard about has lived upon it. Funny part is, that isotope is based on 6 electrons, 6 protons, and 6 neutrons......................


    the ignorant just dont wanna know that their whole life is living upon '666'


    and not that the idiots are branded, they just deny deny and lie

    like the typical 'anti-christs' (against truth) do and will.


    i believe the reason the old school is feared of truth, is they will be unemployed when truth exist, equal to all to feel, taste and judge with.


    read the old prophecies; truth is like a sword

    and the incorporeal beliefs will fall (become extinct)
     
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    I agree.

    Religion and science are not mutually exclusive; they both are systems used to attempt to explain things. Science gives us great insight into how the physical works: how things operate, what forces are in play, how everything comes together. Religion, on the other hand, tries to explain the spiritual. For some of us the two are quite complimentary.
     
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    what if science can describe the spiritual?

    meaning, if the life of your mass can be described would it be 'spiritual' to understand what your life is?

    ie... you could comprehend what you are
     
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    Why would the "life of my mass" be spiritual?

    I'm sorry, but I don't understand your statement. I think that, by definition, natural science is limited to the physical world; things that can be categorized and tested and verified.

    And I think that there things that will fall outside the scope of science. And that is where religion and philosophy come in.
     
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    Here's a question for you: What if science is something that God created to make our lives better? What if science existing is actually proof that God exists? There, that's two questions. I am honestly curious at your answer. Do you know exactly why and how science originated? As for your questions of the idea of carbon: If that is the way God created us, I could careless what numbers are used. It is only in everyday life that I am cautious about that number.
     

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