Zimmerman is not a white man he is a brown man

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  1. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    On the contrary, Zimmerman reported to the police a suspicious person while Martin racially profile Zimmerman and reported to his girlfriend both the prosecutors and Martin's failed to proof that Trayvon was not acting suspiciously.

    Martian attack Zimmerman not because he felt threaten but because he wanted to hurt in his own words a "crack white man". Zimmerman stood his ground and defended himself against such racist aggression and violence aimed at him.
     
  2. Logician0311

    Logician0311 Well-Known Member

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    Once again, you don't prove what someone WASN'T doing... You prove what they were doing. Tell me what Trayvon was doing that justified Zimmerman following him around the neighborhood.

    Zimmerman followed someone around the neighborhood for no apparent reason, and when that person asked him what his problem was, he had no answer.
    Any teenager being followed around on a rainy night by a total stranger should feel at risk of imminent harm, especially when the stranger can't provide a valid reason for their actions.
    According to self defense laws, if you are at risk of harm, you have a right to use force to defend yourself. That's what Trayvon did.
     
  3. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    It has already been proven that Trayvon was acting suspiciously that is why Zimmerman followed him. And the prosecutors failed to proof that Trayvon was not acting speciously. Yes Florida law is very clear the right to self defense that is why Zimmerman defended himself and most of all he defended his neighborhood from a suspiciously character.
     
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    Logician0311 Well-Known Member

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    You keep saying "it has been proven", but you can't provide any example of what he was doing that was actually "suspicious" prior to being followed by Zimmerman...

    Basically, your argument is "If Zimmerman followed him, Trayvon must have been suspicious... Zimmerman followed Trayvon, so Trayvon must have been suspicious". This is a logical fallacy referred to as "Affirming the Consequent".
     
  5. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    Of course it has already been proven that the reason why Zimmerman followed Trayvon was because Trayvon was acting suspiciously in the court of law or have you not read or heard that Zimmerman was found not guilty in the court of law? Or you just being too blind that you can not accept the facts of the truth?

    You can keep on giving your own personal bias opinion the fact of the matter and the fact of the truth is that Zimmerman acted according to his duty as a volunteer neighborhood watchman putting his own safety at risk for the security of his neighborhood the courts supported him on that.
     
  6. Logician0311

    Logician0311 Well-Known Member

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    That's sad...
    Do you really believe that a jury finding him "not guilty" of murder somehow means everything leading up to that point was reasonable?

    The death was a result of defending himself, but this does not mean that Trayvon wasn't also defending himself, or that Zimmerman's actions preceding the altercation were justified.
     
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    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    Trayvon's death was the result of Trayvon's own poor judgement in attacking Zimmerman.
     
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    Wow how did I miss this (*)(*)(*)(*)

    [video=youtube;7qfkRTC5gF4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qfkRTC5gF4[/video]

    Right at the start of the video Zimmerman points out where he spotted Martin on the grass between two houses. Do you see a paved bath between those two sets of houses?

    In this video of from the car driving behind Zimmerman you can get an even better view of where Zimmerman spotted Martin at abot 00:55
    [video=youtube;tC_0cgsmCfQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC_0cgsmCfQ[/video]

    Here is a google maps of the area where he spotted Martin
    Top left hand corner
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    Do you see a paved path?

    Your source is wrong. Of course you have already seen the reenactment and the picture so you knew your source was wrong when you posted it.
     
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    Which was, in turn, the result of Zimmerman's own poor judgement in stalking and harassing a teenager at night who had done nothing to deserve such treatment.
     
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    It's an optical illusion, Mike. Clearly one that only racists can see. To all non-racists, every picture of these two looks like this:

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  11. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    That is why Zimmerman won the case and he is about to get compensated by the State because he was innocent and was not guilty of harassment in fact the jury were very clear Zimmerman was doing his job as a volunteer neighborhood watchman he was following a SUSPICIOUS INDIVIDUAL and that is why the Trayvon camp lost the case because they have no case at all and up to now they are still just ranting away unsubstantial because the truth is not on their side.
     
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    He was never charged with harassment or stalking, so he was not found "not guilty" of those.
    Once again, you keep insisting Martin was a suspicious individual without any justification or validation of that claim.
     
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    Of course he was not charge for harassment because there was none only you keep making all kinds of fictitious claims that is why Trayvon's camp lost the case and they continue to look bad because truth is not on your or their side.
    You're the one that kept insisting that Martin was not a suspicious person.
     
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    Yeah, I'm sure OJ was innocent too... :roll:

    According to Florida statutes:
    784.048 Stalking; definitions; penalties.—(1) As used in this section, the term:
    (a) “Harass” means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person which causes substantial emotional distress to that person and serves no legitimate purpose.

    Zimmerman clearly engaged in a course of conduct, directed at Martin, which caused Martin emotional distress. That's not contested. The only point of contention is whether it served any legitimate purpose.

    If you can't tell me a single thing he did that was "suspicious" prior to Zimmerman's decision to follow him, then it was not legitimate.
    Given that the police dispatcher told him there was no need to follow, it served no legitimate purpose.

    That clearly illustrates that Zimmerman was stalking and harassing Trayvon.
     
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    Logician0311 Well-Known Member

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    :yawn:
    http://zimmermanscall.blogspot.com.au/p/the-walk.html
     
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    Hasty generalization, much?
    More to the point, maybe those shots of Zimmerman simply fail to impress anyone familiar with basic biology and the tendancy for even minor scalp lacerations (as these seem to be) to bleed profusely.

    "Because of the extensive blood supply of the scalp, the amount of bleeding present may not be proportionate to the size of the soft tissue injury. Hemorrhaging of the scalp often appears profuse"
    http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/2065124-clinical
    http://www.ehow.com/how_2286260_treat-bleeding-from-minor-head.html
    http://firstaidcprhamilton.ca/treating-injuries-to-the-scalp-and-face/
    http://www.rch.org.au/clinicalguide/guideline_index/Lacerations/

    In other words, those pics of Zimmerman's scalp are nothing short of a shock tactic. Did you see the pics of Trayvon after having been killed? There was barely a mark on him... Do you think this is an indication of the severity of his wound?
     
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    Blah blah blah blah blah....
     
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    Logician0311 Well-Known Member

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    Congrats! That's the closest you've ever come to saying something constructive! :roflol:
     
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    It also shows that Zimmerman first spotted Trayvon on a paved area... He was right to presume that he came from between those houses, because it's a short cut commonly taken by residents. Of course, that means that Trayvon wasn't any more suspicious than any other resident.
     
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    Harrassing.... lol
     
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    Saw them. He looked like he was quietly sleeping. Eyes open of course. It was sweet.

    And the lack of marks is just more evidence of who the attacker was, and who wasn't.
     
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    Exactly. Which is why his creation of the fight was a big part of the trial.

    Trayvon wasn't on trial.... his blatant assault of the defendant was just supporting evidence that led to the verdict of innocence.
     
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    There I was reading these responses until now.... I see your entire agenda.

    Zimmerman is a racist! lol

    Was it because Trayvon, was an unrecognized teen walking around a neighborhood with a history of late-night break-ins... in the middle of the night?
    Yes.
    Any decent NW would have kept an eye on him.

    Zimmerman didn't know Trayvon was a dope smoking delinquent suspended from school and kicked out of his own house tweeting about his fights and his friends gun.

    All he knew was after the kid started the "harrassing" (as you call it), with his "You got a problem? Well now you do" comments, he was suddenly on his back, with the kid on top of him punching him... and eventually going for Zimmerman's gun.
     
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    Respectfully, which actions by Zimmerman do you know or perceive to have been unjustified?
     

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