Zimmerman is not a white man he is a brown man

In that scenario you paint, I would then simply go into the apartment I was staying at rather than lurk in the shadows for several minutes to confront this perceived threat.

 

Trayvon was not on trial so there was no ruling on his guilt or innocence. However the facts in the trial revealed that Trayvon likely initiated a physical fight with Zimmerman and that would be illegal.

What we do know from the trial is Zimmerman did not do anything illegal because he was found not guilty.

 

I notice that you dont even deny its true. You just criticize the obvious.

 

Obviously my last post denies your "reality" that everyone in the country is too afraid to talk to each other.

 

Trayvon was not on trial? Really? The fact that he wasn't present doesn't seem to have prevented him from being accused of wrongdoing and having his entire life picked apart in a courtroom...

As for initiating a physical fight being illegal, you're wrong. You do not have to wait for a threat to cause you injury before acting to defend yourself.

 

So, if you felt threatened, you'd lead the threat back to home where your family is?
Trayvon chose to escape and hide, and Zimmerman kept searching for him. If he was getting close, what option did Trayvon have but to confront the person and ask what their problem is?

BTW, "stand your ground" clearly states that you don't have to run from a perceived threat if you are not doing anything illegal and are in an area you are legally entitled to be.

 

Sure someone could be threatening you and about to strike you and you intervene with beating the other guy up. But when it goes to court you better have eye witnesses to it to prove it because it is not an easy thing to prove without having received injuries. If you are injured and the other guy is not it is a lot clearer however.

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Of course I would walk home instead of stay outside to confront the person.

 

Incorrect. "innocent until proven guilty". You don't need to prove your innocence with eye witnesses to prove you felt threatened.

Yeah, but SYG says you don't have to lead a stalker back to your home and family.

 

When the other guy is beat up yes you need eye witnesses to prove that.

 

Our entire judicial system is designed around assuming you are innocent until you are PROVEN guilty. You do not need to prove innocence. Even if this were not true, eye witnesses in this scenario would be useless given that any person testifying about how you FELT would be speculating. Anyone who knows you well enough to not be speculating could be dismissed as being biased.

 

Thank you for professing faith in our legal system. So you can join with me and praise the legal system for coming up up with their decision on George Zimmerman who was found not guilty.

 

No need to get butthurt and sarcastic. Obviously the legal system makes errors (e.g.: OJ, Zimmerman), but making hasty generalizations indicating that defending yourself is never possible seems silly.

The truth is that it's perfectly believable that Zimmerman was legally defending himself from an assault when he killed Trayvon. The truth is also that Trayvon could well have been legally defending himself from a perceived threat when he hit Zimmerman.

The whole issue relates to the mismatch between what's LEGAL and what's RIGHT. Giving someone a legal right to attack you, then shooting them for taking that opportunity may be legal (as per the Zimmerman trial), but it ain't right.

 

The problem is that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman first and Trayvon if he believe d he is under threat or fear for his life he could have called 911 which he didn't instead he called his girlfriend who lied about many things and his girlfriend did not called 9/11 too. Zimmerman reported his findings to the police about a suspicious person he decided to approach this person because the more he observe that suspect the more the suspect acted suspiciously if Trayvon had called 911 and reported about a suspicious man following him things would have been different the 911 dispatcher would have advice Trayvon to stay on lighted street corner and that cops are on their way or that message would have been relay back to Zimmerman and Zimmerman would have backed off.

But IMO because Trayvon was being racist, his girlfriend a racist and his supporters being racist is making this a race thing which clearly it was not and that is why they lost he case they were out of touch and out of the topic.

 

Wait, so you're saying that if someone is bothering you and you believe they are a potential threat, you'd call 911 every time rather than ask them what their problem is? And, more to the point, you'd expect a teenager to do the same?

So much for SYG...

As for Trayvon being racist, it's clear the only reason Zimmerman followed Trayvon in the first place is because he was black. A person walking on paved walkways while talking on his phone is not automatically suspicious.
Trayvon saw Zimmerman while he was in his vehicle and didn't automatically attack (according to Zimmerman). So he only allegedly attacked after he was followed around the neighborhood at night by some stranger who refused to identify himself... What's racist about that?

 

Yes POTENTIAL THREAT key word and Trayvon was the threat when he decided to attack Zimmerman first instead of calling 9-11.

That is what the racist supporters of Trayvon been pushing that is why they lost the case because they are out of topic the case was about the death of Trayvon not about racism when we continue to see this attitude that is why support for the race card is very weak.

Trayvon phone calls clearly show he and his girlfriend were racist, Trayvon did not automatically attack Zimmerman he waited for him to get off hos truck then he attacked him because as Trayvon describe Zimmerman a crack white man. Zimmerman got off his truck to approach Trayvon and Trayvon did not gave Zimmerman the opportunity to identify himself Trayvon attacked Zimmerman.

Facts will never change that is why many blacks are speaking against Trayvon's supporters.

 

So, if someone was harassing you and you stood up for yourself in a totally legal way (SYG), you'd be the potential threat instead of them?

Remind me again why Zimmerman decided to follow Trayvon...
Was it because he was walking on a sidewalk? Nope, he doesn't follow everyone he sees walking...
Was it because he was talking on a phone? Nope, he doesn't follow everyone he sees on the phone...
Was it because he was wearing a hood? Nope, he doesn't follow everyone he sees covering their head in the rain...
What's left? Oh yes... Trayvon was black.

He attacked a guy who had been following him around the neighborhood at night... what evidence do you have to support that he wouldn't have done the same thing to any other race who harassed him that way?

BS. According to Zimmerman's recreation, he followed Trayvon on foot for awhile. Eventually, Trayvon approached and asked Zimmerman what his problem was. Zimmerman did respond with something, but didn't identify himself in any way or ask any questions at all... What was Trayvon supposed to assume?

Which proves it's not the blacks that are being racist!

 

Trayvon attacked Zimmerman not the other way around.

Because Trayvon was acting suspiciously and that suspicious was confirmed when Trayvon attacked Zimmerman. And the reason Trayvon attack Zimmerman was because Zimmerman was a white man.

Nope, Trayvon attack Zimmerman because Zimmerman was white.

Trayvon attack Zimmerman even before Zimmerman could identify himself, Trayvon hostilely and aggressively approach Zimmerman with the premeditated plan to attack and kill Zimmerman.

It was the blacks who kept insisting was all about racism in spite of the fact that phone conversation proof that it was Trayvon and his black girl friend who were racist and they were very proud of it as his girlfriend demonstrated openly in court.

 

Be specific. What was Trayvon doing that was suspicious?

What makes you believe Zimmerman was attacked just for being white, since Trayvon routinely interacted with whites and didn't attack them? He only allegedly attacked the one that stalked him around the neighborhood at night.

How do you know what Trayvon's plan was? If he wanted to attack Zimmerman, why did he first try to get away? Why did he ask Zimmerman what his problem was? Zimmerman answered that question (according to his recreation and statement), so why didn't he identify himself instead of providing no reason for harassing a teenager at night?

I'm not black, and I've been saying it was racism from day 1... Being able to see that Zimmerman's only motive for following Trayvon was race isn't an insight limited to blacks.

 

Let me see what was Trayvon doing that makes him suspicious, well it would be the following:
1. Lurking in the dark
2. Hiding from Zimmerman in an attempt to hide himself
3. Moving from one direction to another
4. Scouting the area out
5. On the phone suspiciously reporting to partners in crime on houses to hit
6. Trying to stay in the dark
7. Finally attacking Zimmerman

Zimmerman have many black friends and neighbours that he protected and help out too, what makes you think he zero in on Trayvon because he was black? No proof of that the only proof that was discover was that it was Trayvon and his girlfriend who were the racist and Trayvon showed his resentment about a white man following him to his girlfriend. Black neighbours of Zimmerman testified in favour of Zimmerman.

Because he attacked Zimmerman.

He didn't try to get away he was luring Zimmerman into an area where there will be no witnesses in a dark area where he can kill Zimmerman that is why Trayvon did not call 9/11.

Because it wasn't Zimmerman who has the problem it was Trayvon and Trayvon ask that with an hostile and aggressive tone of voice to catch Zimmerman off guard, intimidate and use it as an excuse to attack Zimmerman.

Zimmerman was very honest in his statement and before any more conversation could happen Trayvon attacked him.

You say it was racism that is why the prosecutors lost the case because it wasn't racism even if it was which it is not the prosecutors just like you did not concentrate on the incident and on the evidences available instead they are so racist that they thought they can get away with racist strategy. Wait a minute.... the prosecutors are white lawyers! maybe yes maybe they intentionally ride along with the racist scenario knowing very well that it will be a no win because they are white people and they are actually making sure that a white man wins the case...uhm??? think about that???

 

"Lurking in the dark"?
Zimmerman claimed Trayvon was walking on the sidewalk while talking on the phone... Zimmerman was able to spot Trayvon while driving past on a rainy night... How exactly was he "lurking"?

"Hiding from Zimmerman"?
Is it really weird for someone to try to get away from a random stranger who is chasing them around the neighborhood at night for no obvious reason? Besides, if Trayvon was trying to hide, how is he the aggressor?

"Moving from one direction to the other"?
First he was walking on the sidewalk and, when a stranger started following him in a vehicle, he took another paved walkway that the vehicle couldn't follow. In other words, he tried to avoid trouble from someone who was harassing him. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. What makes that suspicious?

"Scouting the area out"?
What are you talking about?

"Talking on the phone..."?
Seriously?! You believe it's reasonable to assume anyone walking down the sidewalk on the phone must be some sort of criminal mastermind with housebreakers on speed dial?!

"Trying to stay in the dark"?
BS! He was walking on paved walkways the whole time!

"...attacking Zimmerman."
This could hardly have been part of the reason Zimmerman found him suspicious since it didn't happen until Zimmerman had harassed him for awhile.

Amazing the ridiculous lengths some people will go to to accuse a teenager of his own murder...

 

Yup lurking in the dark.

Trayvon was lurking while talking in his cell and when he spotted Zimmerman he lurked more.

Yup

He wasn't trying to get as the court have proof he was trying to position himself and set Zimmerman up. Trayvon was the aggressor Zimmerman was the neighbourhood watchman.

Trayvon wasn't trying to avoid trouble he was finding a good spot to attack Zimmerman that is why he change from being in the lighted side walk to a dark side area.

He is seen acting suspiciously.

Taryvon would fit that profile because he was lurking, changing direction, hiding from Zimmerman all form part of being suspicious.

He just said that when he spotted Zimmerman be move to a different direction.

That is why Zimmerman did not pull his gun out because he wanted to talk to Trayvon first to make sure he was not a suspect instead Trayvon attacked him and did not stop until Zimmerman pull his gun and shot him.

I agree it is all very ridiculous that so many people kept insisting that it was all about race or that Zimmerman was a white man when it is very clear he is not a white man and after it was proven that Zimmerman never uttered any racial remarks people still refuse to accept that and they refuse to accept that it was Trayvon and his girlfriend that have uttered several times racist remarks against Zimmerman.

 

That is not what Zimmerman said. He said spotted him on the grass between two houses. You are making (*)(*)(*)(*) up.

 

Oops, I guess you're making "(*)(*)(*)(*)" up...
http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/cases/case_139

"George Zimmerman was driving in his gated neighborhood when he spotted Trayvon Martin, 17, walking on a paved path between two sets of townhouses."

 

You just have to keep on making things up even against all evidences and facts from your own link;

What happened: George Zimmerman was driving in his gated neighborhood when he spotted Trayvon Martin, 17, walking on a paved path between two sets of townhouses. Zimmerman, head of the Neighborhood Watch, called the police to report a suspicious person and began following Martin, first in a car and later on foot. Zimmerman's father said his son said Martin then threatened him, punched him in the nose and knocked him to the concrete. Zimmerman pulled a gun from a holster on his waist and shot Martin. Zimmerman claimed self-defense and was found not guilty by a jury on July 13, 2013.

Trayvon was acting suspiciously not because he was a black man but because he was acting suspiciously and it was very clear it was Martin who attacked Zimmerman not the other way around.

You see the prosecutors failed to proof that Martin was not acting suspiciously.

 

You don't prove a negative, you prove a positive. For example, you don't prove that someone isn't acting suspiciously, you illustrate what they are doing that IS suspicious...
For example, what was Trayvon doing that was "acting suspiciously"?

The fact that Trayvon allegely attacked Zimmerman is really not a surprise since he had every right to believe Zimmerman was an imminent threat and he had the right (thanks to SYG) to defend himself.