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Zimmerman verdict sparks worry of riots.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/12/zimmerman-verdict-police-prep/2511995/

 

This entire case was all about "Perceptions"...The perception of how White America views Black people in America. They wanted to believe that Trayvon was this vicious Thug so much, that they created a version of what he looked like in their minds. Remember when all of this happened, reports was that TM was 6'8 240lbs. A week later he was 6'4 225lbs. A month later he was 6'3 190lbs. And then after the coroner's report, his official measurements was 5'10 1/2 158lbs. And then when people saw how small and scrawny he was they probed his life (and his facebook) to find things that would give them the "perception" that he is this dangerous thug that they thought he was in the beginning (school records, Rap photos, flippin' the bird on his webcam, smoking weed...etc). All of this was to create the "perception" of a Thug. Yet Zimmerman was arrested twice for assaulting a police officer and beating up his live-in girlfriend, Yet people ignored this when looking at GZ's character. So a man who has NO respect for Law Enforcement officers, beats-up women and now armed with a loaded gun means absolutely nothing. But people want me to believe that Trayvon was the Thug?

And for those of you who don't know (and that's most of you)...Any community that starts a N.W. has to register with the local police precinct. And then after the registration/petition process, an officer from that precinct will meet with your N.W. group and give you a list of Do's and Dont's to protect you from dangerous situations i.e. Zimmerman/Martin. The first thing the Police Officer will tell you is this: "There is a reason it's called NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH. WATCH, LOOK, SEE AND OBSERVE....that's your job!!!! At no point should you ever approach, interact, confront anyone that you feel is suspicious or in your community to do harm or criminal activity. Call 911, wait in a secure location and when the police arrives, give them a detailed description of what you saw". Zimmerman DID NOT DO THAT!!!!

There is NO WAY you, I or anyone else would approach, confront or follow a strange or suspicious person at night because we don't who they are, and importantly we don't know if they're mentally stable. There is only one kind of person who will make a concience decision to approach, confront or follow someone like that. And that is some carrying a LOADED FIREARM!!!

 

Interestingly, the first thing I recall seeing splashed all over media outlets were not accounts of Trayvon being 6'8 240lbs.. Rather, it was pee wee football photos...and of course the photoshopped 'Hoodie' pix.

 

Five key issues for Zimmerman jury

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/12/zimmerman-trayvon-martin-jury/2511087/

 

It will be horrible if Zimmerman gets away with murder off of weak and misleading forensic and dishonest witnesses.

http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/19465

I must point out that the last bullet is not conclusive and most likely wrong, and it will backfire on Zimmerman’s case. As presented in this story and accompanying video, a simulated firing against test clothing shows nothing more than a 3″ gap between the hoodie and Trayvon’s chest. That is the only sound conclusion. The jump to the uninformed conclusion that this 3″gap means Trayvon was sitting astride Zimmerman, with his shirt hanging down is wrong. Demonstrably wrong.

This is not the only position from which this arrangement of hoodie and chest can be achieved. Moreover, the bullet’s path (if we have the right trajectory) won’t support the story’s conclusion. I noted this in a post back when the first round of evidence showed up. First off, understand the mechanics of the human body and human arm when firing a gun. When on your back, with elbow against the ground (as Zimmerman himself testified), there is only a small range of trajectories a bullet will travel. Here is diagram one, show the range of the arm holding a gun from the back:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDkIeR72aAw




http://frederickleatherman.com/category/george-zimmerman/video-reenactment-of-martin-shooting/

Finally, there is the displacement between the bullet holes in the two sweatshirts that align with each other, but not the wound that I have previously mentioned. The displacement indicates the defendant was gripping the sweatshirts with his left hand and pulling the sweatshirts down and to the left and away from Trayvon’s body toward himself, possibly to get his hand out of the line of fire, when he fired the kill shot.

 

Armstrong Williams: 'Act Like Americans' if Zimmerman Acquitted.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Armstrong-Williams-Zimmerman-Riots/2013/07/12/id/514844

 

From available evidence Zimmerman did not approach Martin but the other way around. Trying to see where someone went like the operator asked with "where is he now?" is not approaching and could be considered a request.

I carry and at no time am I confronting anybody because they approach me.

 

Fat boy knew where Martin had gone and where he expected him to exit the complex. He lied about looking for an address.

As I have stated several times, it is stupid to lead a possible sex predator to your home. That was why any blather about how Martin should have gone home and locked the doors is bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Guy pointed that out in his closing. How do you think that will resonate with a female jury?

Martin did everything the law required of him prior to using deadly force and GZ did everything that the law describes as reason to punch his lights out.

Get real.

 

Apparently 3 jurors were crying and one shaking uncontrollably as state prosecutor John Guy delivered the states final rebuttal ... and when O'Mara hauled in a concrete-block ... one juror became visibly-shaken and whispered under her breath that it looked like a tombstone ....

Yes, O'Maras' last comment was *Give Zimmy back his life* ... no regrets no remorse to this day.

 

I thought it was about evidence.

 

At this point, I will be surprised to see if that jury can get over the reasonable doubt issue as it relates to self defense.

 

And, Zimmerman was white.

 

Jury deliberations continue today.

Interesting video with article...

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-jury-deliberations-continue-20130713,0,7148352.story

 

Doctored evidence, actually. That ugly beak aint broken, and all that blood is coming off the tip, and there are three semi-circular bruises on fat boy's head. How do you get that off of concrete?

 

Do you have any links to prominent news sources that ever indicated Trayvon was 6'8 even a week after the shooting? Because some in the media seemed to focus instead on blasting out pictures of a prepubescent Trayvon with a cherubic smile.

Do you really want to take the line in this that the majority of the media has favored Zimmerman from the beginning in terms of managing perceptions?

Say yes. It will be fun.

 

What might screw Z would be that they determine that Martin had cause to believe that he needed to defend himself from a predator. In that case, it doesn't matter what kind of owies fat boy got.

 

If Zimmerman had while being mercilessly beaten inching his way up the grass crawling with his shoulders and butt, hiking up his jacket and rolling his hips back and forth back to reveal a pager clipped to his belt, which according to the tape of Zimmerman reenactment he reached for there, that is in the right triangle between the oval of his body on the ground and the line from the right side of the oval to the ground, which was unobstructed by the oblique triangle of Martin’s legs, and his pager had tapped on something on the ground and Zimmerman had reached between the right triangle and discovered something to use as a weapon (like I did in a similar situation), and had stabbed Martin to death with it, there would be no case of the GUN. It would be a case of the guy who was not on duty being ordered “ just let me know if this guy does anything else” and after the aggressor attacked him he found a gutter nail…on the ground and stabbed the aggressor in the eye with it.

It was a clear case of self-defense. He just happened to be armed which is totally irrelevant and totally legal, because during the fight when he was screaming for help to receive none from a several people hearing and watching, he could have felt something poking him in the back and reached down and discovered a long spike he could use for self-defense, like I did.

Oh, and uh, Martin if his knees were along side of Zimmerman's body as the prosecution claims Zimm could not have reached the gun because of, as Zimm struggled Martin could have felt the gun instead of saw it, so it being dark is meaningless. Too bad it is an all woman jury and they do not have any more brains than the prosecution thinks they have.

 

I think that a reasonable conclusion, no pun intended. After the Casey Anthony trial, it would seem that a jury can find reasonable doubt whenever it wants to. The irony of it is that with Anthony, a huge majority of Americans thought she guilty of killing a true child, and she walked. While with Zimmerman, there is no such plurality for conviction, but I have no certain belief that they won't come back with a compromise verdict. That he has not already been acquitted, and that they chose to not even go late yesterday, suggests the possibility to me that they had someone who was not going to be persuaded last night, so they decided to sleep on it.

 

The only reasonable doubt required is for the charges. If they have any reasonable doubt at all, he is acquitted but they all have to be unanimous either way or it is a hung jury.

 

You're forgetting the part that this is what pathological liar Zimmy says ... the truth is, Zimmy had pulled his weapon after the last call with 911 and proceeded to hunt martin down ... hence the two minutes Zimmy has never accounted for as to his whereabouts.

 

Briefly, and likely from a minority of sources, Martin was reported as 6'2" in approx. April of last year. I read it a few times, and it was discussed here. But as soon as the coroner's report was released, his true stats were known.

 

The first pictures I saw were of a 12 year old boy, then they said he was 17 and I'm like that don't look like some 17 year old. But my first impression of the story and that picture was GZ shot this 12 year old. So the media did its job in putting that out there.

 

That I remember. However, that is nothing in comparison to the idiocy of pushing Zimmerman in county oranges and Trayvon from 5 years prior.

 

Ok, court is in session ...

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Ok, court is in recess ... jury to commence deliberations.