Who Should I Vote For? Convince Me. (Rep. vs. Dem.)

Well that is weird...Obama has a plan already and have voiced it. Romney has voiced his plan to make foreign trade have less restrictions, how is that going to help america? Bush the third is what I hear.

 

The post was made so someone would try to talk me out of it. I thought perhaps someone would have some insight that I am missing. Seems common sence wins if you just fold over and have no info and no plan...thanks for your time

 

I will. I will be happy to vote for someone with a plan. You would think asking republicans for a plan would be a basic election obligation lol. Just screaming, "I'll fix things" won't cut it for me. Easy vote at this point.

 

I'm very curious to see this specific plan Obama has. Do you have a link for it because I study politics everyday and must have missed it. Is it by any chance that budget that we've been waiting 3 years for?

 

I would just urge you to vote for the candidate that you think will do the best job for America, and not to vote for the candidate that you think will tick off the Americans that you find personally annoying. We have a bad habit in America of voting against people rather than for someone. Don't do that.

 

I feel sorry for you if you have studied politics everyday and don't know his plan. It was even in the first part of my thread.

Obama WANTS to stop the tax cuts on outsourcing, the main plaigue of this country introduced by Bush. That is the most important..and you know the rest. Everyone knows why Bush was not able to make much of a difference the last 3 years...republican sabotage. Delay, deny, and stall tactics from republican party. It was too obvious, everyone saw it happen. If you are going to say that Obama is at fault for not making things happen, you fail.

 

Honestly I have no idea why Ron Paul doesn't have every single vote except those in politics now. He is constitutional, honest, and truly a great man. He speaks of liberty like no other candidate! All the republicans and democrats are all the same these days. They want money, and they ALL want big gov. and big power, just in different ways. I think if you look closely at the facts, ron paul is the only one that actually cares about the situation of America.

 

Agreed. I am struggling to figure out why people want to vote for modern republicans. I don't want another term of overspending...but after seeing Bush overspend and then see the same plans proposed by these new republicans!?! How can I vote republican?

 

I agree with his and your views that everyone is a RepubliCrat. But Paul has a fatal flaw. He talks too much about his extreme beliefs instead of talking about what he can actually get done as president. I've started to lean further and further towards Paul but what exactly do you think he can get done as president? I love his view on foreign policy, its the only real one that keeps every country from hating us. Yet I do agree with SOME regulated government assistance. I would like to hear what you think he could get done as president, with the presidents limited power.

 

They may not win but it's the only way to change the system. The two parties certainly aren't going to make it harder on themselves. It's up to the people to change the broken system because we're what's broken about it. No matter what the policy is so long as people freely vote for the same parties those parties will rule.

 

I'm not insulting you. If you're new to politics, involvement in cultural issues, etc, you're going to hear things you don't agree with - comes with the territory. I've been in the game a long time. I used to work in politics and in the freedom fight. I have a lot of experience, and have forgotten more about the subjects that ail our country than most will ever consider.

My post to you was sincere in that I do hope you get yourself informed. As you stated in your OP, you're new to the game. If you sincerely want to make an informed decision you have to read and research. If you're not willing to do that, then I suggest that you don't vote. I have a stake in this too - I have two young kids as well; their futures are being buried under a mountain of debt.

As for what can be done?? We have the answer in blueprint form at our disposal, i.e. the Constitution.

The Constitution was literally gutted of any power to constrain the Federal Government in the 1930's. Our country was converted from a republic, to a democracy. Our freedoms, sovreignty, economy, and currency have all been under attack by our own FedGov ever since.

Clever and subtle, and some not so clever and not so subtle, interpretations of the Constitution paved the way for government expansion and involvement in our lives; not to mention paved the way for the government to literally wage endless war, without ever having to declare war in some cases.

How those changes would play out were obvious to many back in the 30's, but they were shouted down, castigated, and ignored - just as those of us who hold to the principles of freedom and limited government are treated today.

Math doesn't lie though; and history provides lessons. What's happening to America is the same thing that has happened to every other once great civilization. We, just as Rome, Greece, Lycia, etc, embarked upon the path of positive government; and are now collapsing under the weight of our own corruption - just as those other civilizations did.

This is nothing new. Our Founders wrote about these things quite extensively. Read the Federalist Papers; read the Anti-Federalist Papers... great stuff in there; read Locke, Bastiat, etc... Hell, read Marx and some of the leftists - you can see much more clearly how our decline is being crafted.

As for me, and what I see as the answer - as I said, the Constitution. Which leaves only one candidate - Ron Paul.

There are only 2 choices. Ron Paul vs. The Establishment Candidate (Obama, Romney, Gingrich, Santorum, whoever). Of course Ron Paul's message is shuttered away. It is the message of liberty; limited government; sound money; bring the troops home/but maintain a strong defense; etc, that the Establishment fears.

Look at that debt clock -

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

$15,300,000,000,000+ in current debt
$15,400,000,000,000+ current SS liability
$20,500,000,000,000+ prescription drug liability
$81,000,000,000,000+ Medicare liability

That's over $130 trillion in unfunded mandates and debt - that's an unholy mess. ObamaRomneyGingrichSantorum will continue to grow the debt. They all believe in positive government; they all believe more positive government is the solution.

The only candidate standing up for liberty, sound money, limited government, peace and good foreign relations, etc... is Ron Paul.

 

We need a climate conducive to productivity and growth. Liberalism continues (even strives) to maintain a horrible reputation for punishing success and rewarding failure, regardless of how accurate a portrait that image is in reality. We need to stop pitting rich vs. poor and realize that there is the possibility of policy that benefits everyone - obviously NOT something either party is ready to tackle at the present. Instead, politicians bait people's allegiance with empty promises and unworkable solutions that end up further hurting those they intend to help. But still the scammers succeed in producing their loyal following of dependents. The more that people look to government as a means of betterment the more it responds with ever increasing leverage for micromanaging society and the overall economy - not a good thing for productivity or growth (or liberty) - not a good thing in the long run for the poor, either.

 

What is the definition of sound money?
I'm all for RP and sound gov't, but what is sound money? Will there be defaltionary periods under sound monetary policy?

 

Being devil's advocate here. From 1980 - 2006, did we not have a prospersous growth period? Was gov't not manipulating the economy and expanding its own reaches the entire time. Even under R leadership? Did we not have the greatest productivity spurt in history?

Would you leave businesses to go out and pollute air, water, land for the sake of more profit?

 

Don't want to fight other countries wars?
Want sound money?!?
Want to opt out and stop funding socialist programs?!
want more liberties?
Do you want Ameri8ca to be respected around the world?

Vote Ron Paul!

 

Your first problem is that you're on a forum, asking perfect strangers how you should vote. Would you like to know how to dress today as well? What to have for lunch?

 

I have already stated that I like Ron Paul. I have also already stated that I would like to know just exactly what he will have to do as president, that is the part I don't fully understand yet. I'm closer and closer to voting for him every week. I know he can bring millitary home, but what will happen with them? And what is congress going to do with him, stall like they did with Obama because he isn't a true Republican? If you ask me he is the only true republican left btw. The debt clock is great information, saw it.

 

Good pitch. But the question wasn't answered. What exactly can he do with the limited power of the president? Are his changes going to be too fast and put the nation in shock?

 

A response from someone who only read the title and not the thread... I already said who I am voting for. I am looking for a good debate as to why I should change my mind or keep my Obama vote. Some are giving me a pretty good debate

 

Excuse for interrupting, however YOU STATED you weren't very informed! You were undecided, yet you're at 60 for Obama.

Then you berate a poster for encouraging you to become more informed! Even accusing him of being a Paul supporter! Sorry, IMO, you have made up your mind and instead looking for conservatives to demean.
At this point I call troll on you and this thread, kind of difficult to change any mind determined to insult those who oppose his opinions!

His post was helpful, if you were truly looking for information!

 

Lol. I said I was newer to politics. I didn't say I was brand new. His thread was mostly helpful up to the point of telling me I need to "read some and get informed". I took that as mildly insulting because he AND YOU obviously didn't read my thread. I have stated over and over again that I want to know the plans of the party you are backing to try to change my mind. *smacks forehead*

 

I am ending this thread and starting a new one. I obviously put too much information in it and people are not reading it. I also was not direct enough.

 

I don't think you're smart enough to vote so why not just stay home??

 

Yes maybe no one will recognize you're trolling there! LOL

 

Here's the problem. Big banks own both parties. Obama was a huge recipient of donations from Goldman Sachs, and just like Bush and most of Congress, he supported bailing out the banks.

Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, and whoever the Green Party chooses to run are against this sort of thing. All three are against things like the NDAA detention clause, SOPA, PIPA, and Gitmo as well.

When it comes to personal liberties, you have to think outside the box. Ron Paul might be running as a Republican, but he's more like a Libertarian in practice. Johnson doesn't yet have the Libertarian party nomination, but he's the most likely to get it.

Given what you posted, the Green Party might actually be your best bet, since you seem to support liberal economic policies while taking a mostly libertarian stance on foreign policy and social policy.

If you vote for Obama, then you're just voting for the status quo.