North Carolina Pastor calls for the deaths of gays and lesbians

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  1. CarlB

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    Reporting facts are not throwing red meat. That is what republicans do- completely make sh*t up and massively over exaggerate everything else.
     
  2. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Churches hate sinners and sinners hate churches... been that way for eons. You oughta hear 'em when they get on the devil.
     
  3. Think for myself

    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Indeed, as it is my right as an American to say that he is nothing more than a raging hypocrite and an example of the farce that is his mythology.
     
  4. Defengar

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    This pastor doesn't seem to understand where gay people come from. They arn't brought in by storks. Straight couples have a kid with a random mutation. you can't just round em all up in once sitting and think that you have gotten rid of all gays forever...
     
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    KSigMason Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    If the video is actually real I don't condone it. It is not our place to judge, men should remember that is the job of the Almighty.
     
  6. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    So why is that evil preacher still breathing?

    Job 11:20 = But those who are evil will go blind and lose their way. Their only escape is death!
     
  7. Zosiasmom

    Zosiasmom New Member Past Donor

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    He doesn't know what he's talking about. He only knows that he gets tingly when he watches Hugh Jackman movies and wants to get the menses away from him before he does something unspiritual.
     
  8. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Actually he's not supposed to be concerned about people outside of his church. However, he's commanded to judge those in his church and to kick them out if they are "sinners".

    1 Corinthians 5:9-13 = I wrote you in my earlier letter that you shouldn't make yourselves at home among the sexually promiscuous. I didn't mean that you should have nothing at all to do with outsiders of that sort. Or with crooks, whether blue or white-collar. Or with spiritual phonies, for that matter. You'd have to leave the world entirely to do that! But I am saying that you shouldn't act as if everything is just fine when a friend who claims to be a Christian is promiscuous or crooked, is flip with God or rude to friends, gets drunk or becomes greedy and predatory. You can't just go along with this, treating it as acceptable behavior. I'm not responsible for what the outsiders do, but don't we have some responsibility for those within our community of believers? God decides on the outsiders, but we need to decide when our brothers and sisters are out of line and, if necessary, clean house.

    The preacher's problem is that he is exceeding the scope of that directive. Consequently he is a threat to normal society and an enemy of the people.
     
  9. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Jesus engaged in hate speech and the guys in the Old Testament spouted it 24/7. If a person calls himself religious and isn't a bigot then Judaism, Christianity, or Islam isn't for him.
     
  10. Jebediah

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    ^This.
     
  11. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    The German Jews were domestic enemies of Germany. They pushed for a world-wide boycott of German goods and services and tried to install a commie government like the one they started in Russia.
     
  12. Defengar

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    sniff sniff... oh its stormfront filth. Go back to your forum of big talkers and crazy people who kill children.
     
  13. Defengar

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    What irks me most about this video isn't that he is openly hate mongering and advocating the extermination of an entire group of people. The thing that infuriates me is that he has an audience because he is a pastor and, within a religious community, his remarks have a perceived legitimacy. I respect his right to hold these views privately, but to convey them from the security of a religious institution and make use of his leadership role in said institution, is absolutely cowardly and unethical (apart from the actual content of his message). Here we have a man with no respect for people with perspectives different than his own who can articulate his bigotry to others, encourage them to act politically, and is leant credence by his association with a church, which prevents him from being subject to rebuke.

    I understand that his message is what draws most opposition, but his blatant disregard for the separation of church and state I find similarly deplorable.
     
  14. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    You may want to learn some world history before expressing an opinion about various issues.

    http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F00B11FC39551A7A93C3AB1783D85F478385F9

    http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B6pQNzeYic

    http://www.biblestudysite.com/judeawar.htm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Nazi_boycott_of_1933
     
  15. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    The preacher is no different than a mid-east Islamic mullah or the Taliban. World-wide society makes a grave mistake when it allows such people to spout off without slapping them upside their heads. They are everyone's enemies and should be treated as such.
     
  16. Daggdag

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    This is why I stopped being a Christian. The religion no longer followers the teaching of Christ. They corrupt them for their own means.
     
  17. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Are you really sure that you want to follow what Jesus taught? Get a sharp knife ready for cutting off body parts (Matthew chapters 5-7).

    Matthew 5:29-30 = If your right eye causes you to sin, poke it out and throw it away. It is better to lose one part of your body, than for your whole body to end up in hell. If your right hand causes you to sin, chop it off and throw it away! It is better to lose one part of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
     
  18. Defengar

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    great post from another forum I thought I would share...

    He's preaching from the third book of the Torah, so I find it strange that he considers himself a Christian, and not an Orthodox Jew.

    Ironically, the Hebrew word to'eivah just means "unclean", and has been mistranslated into English as "abhorent" as in sinful. Leviticus was written as a code of holiness for the emancipated slaves of the pharaohs, freed from slavery by Moses, and this was to be the foundation of their new society of priests - as opposed to the polytheism of the Egyptians and Greeks / Romans. They felt that in order to distinguish themselves, and make themselves more prolific, they had to establish strong social and monogamous bonds of partnership in heterosexual marriages for the sake of financial security and breeding - things that a hedonistic empire like the Egyptians / Greeks / Romans would not promote. They were vastly outnumbered, with no land to call their own, and no real sense of cohesion outside of a shared persecution. They needed a code to live by, a rule of law that set them above the others, made them special, made them better, made them unique and this book of Leviticus, written over hundreds of years, was to be their guide.

    So they forbid the wearing of blending fabrics to reduce the amount of external trade with the silk dealers of the east. They forbade shellfish, which were prolific amongst the seafaring people of the Aegean and Mediterranean - also known as slave traders and pirates. They forbade men sharing sexual congress with other men, as the polytheists would undermine the union of man and woman with bisexuality and hedonistic approaches towards pleasure. The same goes with having sex with a woman on her period - it produces no children, and was seen as "unclean" (again with the to'eivah).

    All this has no bearing on why Christian pastors think they need to cherry pick both history and verse to support their bigotry.

    Now, if he wants to preach from the perspective of Paul of Tarsus, or from Romans - we can debate that all day, since the the first Epistle to the Corinthians was written almost 20 years after the death of Christ, in Turkey, by a man who had never even met him (Paul), and was kind of a self important (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)bag.
     
  19. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    The interesting thing is that Paul was the first one to preach and write about Jesus. Jesus was Paul's creation. Paul was preaching about Jesus in the 30s and wrote his first book, Galatians, in 49. The Corinthian books were written in the 50s. He started his story with the resurrected Jesus, who promised eternal life if people believed in him. Later on Paul's disciples wrote the prequels that explained why Jesus was worthy of being worshiped.
     
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    did you actually listen to what he said, fencing them in like cattle... until they all die, come on, what does that sound like to you?
     
  21. lizarddust

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    You beat me to the punch.

    This preacher (if you could actually call him a preacher) is a bloody moron. To reiterate, he is no better than radical Islamic Imans or Mullahs preaching their filth.

    Thank god I'm an atheist!
     
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    I do not consider Hell to be a part of the teachings of Christ, since the concept did not come into existence until years after Christ died. It was created when the catholics were trying to convert the Norse. It's based on the Norse Goddess Hel.
     
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    Put a bunch of elderly people and infertile people on one side of a fence and what do you think will happen? The exact same bloody thing!!!
     
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    He didn't call for anyone's death? So if I suggested we lock all Christians up in a dark room and starve them until they died, would I not be calling for the death of Christians?

    Stop defending this man.
     
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    So the church hates gay people. Got it.
     

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