Challenge for Atheists: Prove Wind Exists

Atheists, I'm having some difficulty here. You guys claim that wind exists, even though I've never seen it in my life. Can you prove to me that wind exists??? How do you know it exists?

I mean sometimes I FEEL it against my skin, but, is this definitive proof, a FEELING????

 

Define "definitive proof". I can't prove to myself that I'm sitting in front of a computer right now, but I can be certain beyond all reasonable doubt, and take it as a fact anyway.

We know wind exists because we can directly observe it's effects, we can explain why it exists, and we can test our theories about it experimentally. Now it's entirely possible that wind is really just some mass delusion, but given the evidence at hand, we can say beyond any reasonable doubt that wind exists.

Now if wind were something that we couldn't observe, explain, or test, then there'd probably be far fewer people claiming it exists.

 

Wonderful, we know the wind exists because "WE CAN DIRECTLY OBSERVE ITS EFFECTS".

Now, can't we say the same about God????

 

Because the effects of a god can't be directly observed.

Not sure where you're going with this...

 

Why not?

The effects of wind can be directly observed, but why not God?

I don't see wind, but atheists want me to believe in its existence on FAITH.

Atheists claim not to see God, and hate me when I believe in God on FAITH.

What's the difference?

 

The difference is that you ignored a large chunk of my post, and picked out one single item.

I see a tree swaying. What could be causing it? Well there's air outside - maybe the air is moving, and imparting a force upon the tree! Ok, why would the air be moving? Well I know from prior experiments that changes in temperature can cause the pressure of a gas to change, and that in the presence of a pressure differential, gas molecules are going to start moving around - maybe something like that is happening on a large scale, causing the air to move around and hit the tree! Hmm, now how can I test this? Well I can develop a model, make measurements of atmospheric conditions, and then see if my model can make accurate predictions. Oh look, it can! One last thing - can I think of any other reasonable explanations for the tree swaying that fit the facts I have available, and would have evidence to back them up? Nope, not really. In that case, I think I'll name it 'wind'.

Now here's what you're doing: I see a universe. What could have caused it? Maybe a god! Well why would there be a god? No idea. How would such a god work? No idea. Can I test my hypothesis? Not even remotely. Are there other explanations with just as much evidence that also fit the facts? Absolutely. Yep, must be a god!

 

You still don't see the wind, despite all your vain attempts to prove it exists. You BELIEVE it exists. You have FAITH it exists.

Your experiments prove nothing. Why are you attempting to prove something you can't see?

Forget about the universe.

Can't God cause great people to do GOOD and MORAL actions in life? Can't God communicate with PROPHETS as He has done in the past? Can't God cause GOOD, and bring GOOD into the world, despite humanity constantly choosing EVIL and SIN over GOOD and PIETY???

Can't God cause great people to do GREAT things, and have great accomplishments.


When football players win the Superbowl, they say "THANK YOU GOD!" Why? Have they seen God? Did God cause them to win the Superbowl game? Why do they believe God exists? Doesn't God have an EFFECT on them??? They say God exists. THEY SAY GOD HAS AN EFFECT ON THEM!!!!

Why don't you believe THEM when they say God has an effect on them???


I don't believe you, Mjolnir. I don't think the wind exists. You CLAIM it does, but I have no proof for CERTAIN. All your scientific attempts to prove it, mean nothing in the end. All you have is your FAITH that wind exists.

I've never seen WIND once in my entire life.

I guess that means it doesn't exist, does it???

 

Nor do I see the computer screen in front of me. My eyes are just receiving photons arranged in the way they would be if a computer screen emitted them.

Yes I do. And I think I acknowledged in that first post that to actually prove anything is more or less beyond the capabilities of any human.

'Faith' is a loaded word. What definition are you using? I BELIEVE it exists because of overwhelming evidence. I would call that the same thing as faith.

As I said above, you really can't see anything apart from photons, and even then that's under the assumption that we're correct about how human biology works. Are you saying that we shouldn't believe in anything apart from photons? Or are you saying we should believe in everything than anyone could possibly conceive of?

Difficult, but I'll try.

Again, you're ignoring any standards of evidence. How do you know that when football players win the Superbowl, they say "THANK YOU GOD!"? That's just air vibrations hitting your ear that happen to sound like someone saying "THANK YOU GOD!"

If you deny the value of evidence, then you either have to doubt everything, or you have to believe everything. Do you believe that the gods of the Egyptians really exist? If not, then why not? I'm guessing it's because you think, for some reason, that your God has more evidence to back it up. You would point to the Bible, and all it's supposed prophecies. So don't try to tell me that evidence doesn't matter. You know it does. 'Heretic'? More like 'Hypocrite'.

 

Heretic, I'm a Christian and God bless you for your attempt but I have to side with the atheists on this one. Mainly, you can FEEL the wind and see it's direct effects on objects around you.

God has proven His existence to the thinking person though in other ways, the world around us for one, only fools would think we evolved from pond sludge. Our bodies, the bodies of animals, the make up of flora, all are too complicated to be an evolutionary accident, but atheists are to dumb to recognize that. That's fine, God leaves them to their idiocy. God has shown the same proof to everyone, if some dont want to accept it then that's fine, move on, shake the dust of them off your feet and cast your pearls of wisdom to people that want to know the truth, forget the atheist pigs that just crush those pearls of wisdom into the mud. That's THEIR choice and they will have to live with it at the end of their lives.

Also, God has proven His existence through Bible prophecy. There can be NO doubt that God exists when, hundreds and thousands of years ahead of time, He tells us what is going to happen and then it happens, exactly as He said it would. There are thousands of prophecies made by God that came true. We dont have to justify this to atheists, they are just like the priests, pharisees and sadducees of old Israel. THEY knew the prophecies, saw Jesus in front of them and how He fulfilled those prophecies, and still refused to accept Him as their Messiah. That's fine too, they will live with their decision when they kneel before Jesus at the Judgement Seat. Just remember, when all these atheists kneel, trembling before Jesus, they WILL agree with Him that their fate is justified. They will have NO excuse when He sentences them. As Jesus said, dont cast your pearls before swine.

 

I believe trolls exist.

 

Sorry, should read “wouldn't"

 

And we can describe the mechanisms at work in producing said wind, and make predictions as to how wind will behave.

And yet many of the most intelligent people on the planet are atheists.

What's more complicated: a human body, or the all-powerful, all-knowing God that's described in the Bible? If it's the human body, then you agree that complexity can arise from less complex origins, and it shouldn't be that difficult to believe that life could have formed naturally. If it's God, then you have to believe that something more complex than a human body could arise naturally, and so you should still be able to acknowledge the possibility of life without God.

What a fine tone you set for these little debates.

Belief isn't a choice.

"Exactly"? Really? I suppose you believe Nostradamus could see the future too.

I think he also said something about not judging... Way to presume to be able to speak for your God - I'm sure he appreciates your arrogance.

 

I believe people with dumb ideas and poor thinking skills exist.

 

I believe you do too, taikoo, thanks for proving it to us.

 

The OP is downright stupid! Next you christians will want atheists to do is prove farts do not STINK!

 

Mine dont. Fact.

 

I honestly wonder what response you expected from Atheists at this point. lol Where you expecting people now suddenly believing in God?

I will keep it in an atheistic fashion by answering with a 101-science lesson in physics. Hot air moves up. You may have noticed when making coffee or another hot drink, that the steam moved up from the coffee cup not down. Just because hot air moves up it doesn't mean there's a vacuum at the bottom. lol Other (cool) air replaces it. Because air travels from point A to point B we call it wind.

Something we actually reproduce in the lab. A critiria for most scientists whether something is scientifically prooven...

 

Dude, FAITH is the decision to have belief in something despite a lack of supporting evidence. Evidence does not have to be something you see with your eyes, as long as it can be recreated in a controlled setting. Believing in wind (which you can PHYSICALLY feel, and recreate, and explain using scientific standards) is not faith.

Experiments prove whether theories are valid. That's the key difference between faith (which can also be defined as naivety) and scientific thought. Some people prefer not to waste their time with things that simply aren't real or true.

Nope.

Because "Thank you God!" is a colloquialism used to express jubilation.
It's the same reason peope who are surprised may say "Holy S#IT!"... They haven't actually seen God defecate.

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You can't see wind with your eyes, but that's because your eyes only allow you to see a fraction of what is actually "visible".

You can use infrared detectors to measure the heat, or you can use a powerful microscope to find the atoms that make up the matter contained in wind.

In case this is semantics, you can call "wind" whatever you like, you can refer to it in whatever manner you want, but the way you describe it in no way changes the end result of my next paragraph.

The most obvious reason for knowing that wind exists is that the effects of wind can be predicted and even forecast. There is absolutely nothing predictable about God that can be shown in any set of observations or experiments.

I think you lack a fundamental understanding of how science works and it shows by your silly attempt to correlate wind with a belief in God, just as you failed in your previous thread where you tried to say that marriage is proof of God. Show me predictable repeatable evidence of God and we can have a scientific conversation. Until such time, maybe stick with the bible and leave science to the grown-ups.

 

I think this will end with something like
"You cant see wind but you believe it anyway therefore you have faith."

"But my faith is better coz I believe in god."

 

Do you see an electron?
Do you see it move through a conductor?
Do you see electricity?
Electricity doesn't exist?

 

No. I don't observe it's effects....never have seen one...

 

My friend believes elves live in her garden and can prove it because the flowers bloom...and blow in the WIND.....

 

Wrong! Electricity therefore is God... LOL!!!

I just couldn't resist

 

Electricity has Powers.