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The more the gun nuts fight the assualt weapons ban, the more attention it gets

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by gophangover, Feb 22, 2013.

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  1. beenthere

    beenthere Well-Known Member

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    No, I was suggesting that it was a government thing. When the government got involved in the way people raise children and started saying that they couldn't spank them, that generation that came out of that are the ones that have been doing the majority of the killing. They never were taught that there was going to be punishment for their actions. Now, if the majority of the government officials were liberal (which they were) and the shoe fits, then be proud to wear it.
     
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  2. Serfin' USA

    Serfin' USA Well-Known Member

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    I can list plenty of examples of serial killers that were raised in fundamentalist or violent households.

    While I'm not fond of government intervention in parenting, you're tilting at windmills here.
     
    Serfin' USA, Mar 7, 2013
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  3. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    True assault rifles and machine guns have been pretty much banned since 1934. (legal, but the hoops to own one are numerous)
     
    perdidochas, Mar 7, 2013
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  4. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Actually, they are banned.

    Selective fire, and multiburst weapons are all legally considered "machine guns." They are all banned (well greatly restricted to the point of virtually being banned). Where do you make up garbage like that?

    - - - Updated - - -

    I doubt very much that was the case. I was born in 1965 (have a brother born in 1968), and that kind of thinking was rare when I was growing up. 1978, and you would have a point.
     
    perdidochas, Mar 7, 2013
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  5. Daggdag

    Daggdag Well-Known Member

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    If the NRA has their way, all of the hoops will be abolished, including background checks.
     
    Daggdag, Mar 7, 2013
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  6. tomfoo13ry

    tomfoo13ry Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You do realize that your credibility has been shot on this issue, don't you? You've made so many false statements that you're just whistling into the wind at this point.
     
    tomfoo13ry, Mar 7, 2013
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  7. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Hmm, the NRA was in favor of the NICS background checks. Nice strawman you are trying to create.
     
    perdidochas, Mar 8, 2013
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  8. DentalFloss

    DentalFloss Well-Known Member

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    From where I'm sitting, seems the AWB is DOA. It's not even being talked about anymore. Now if we could go back to normal availability on ammo!!
     
    DentalFloss, Mar 8, 2013
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  9. Meta777

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    Extra emphasis on the was.
     
    Meta777, Mar 9, 2013
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  10. tomfoo13ry

    tomfoo13ry Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you saying that they are no longer in favor of the NICS?
     
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  11. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    No I'm not saying that that's necessarily the case, but when was the last time you heard the NRA leadership come out in favor of it?
    Also note that it a true statement that the NRA leadership has been in favor of universal background checks in the past,
    though it is fairly obvious that that no longer holds true.
     
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  12. tomfoo13ry

    tomfoo13ry Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why would they "come out in favor" of something that has been an established law for the last 20 years? What would be the point? It's a non-issue.
     
    tomfoo13ry, Mar 9, 2013
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  13. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Still IS emphasis on the IS
     
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  14. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Again, when was the last time you heard the NRA leadership speak favorably about the NICS system?
    Not that I'm suggesting they need to, but how can you two be so certain that the NRA still holds the same position it did in the past?
    Especially considering the fact that they have clearly reversed their position regarding universal background checks.
    Why do you think they did that? If it was for the same reason that you, tomfoo13ry, seem to hold your position regarding the same issue,
    then one might be led to believe that they truly have reversed their position regarding the NICS system as well.

    And if the NRA is so in favor of the NICS system being used to perform background checks for gun sales as you two seem to believe,
    then why exactly do they seem to have absolutely no problem with nearly half of all gun sales not utilizing it?

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Mar 9, 2013
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  15. Bondo

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    Ayuh,.... The reason for that is because when it was proposed by the NRA, 'n the Progressives agreed to it, the Progressives in Government dropped the ball, 'n haven't kept up the data base...

    With an inferior data base, it fails to do as designed/ proposed...

    The Idea/ proposal has been corrupted into a Hassle for legal gun owners, 'n no longer does what it's Supposed to do...
     
    Bondo, Mar 9, 2013
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  16. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    How does their opposing universal background checks increase the effectiveness of the NICS system?
     
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    The NCIS is not the same thing as a national gun registry, which is what the grabbers want the idea to morph into and the IRA will fight at every opportuinty.
     
    JIMV, Mar 9, 2013
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  18. tomfoo13ry

    tomfoo13ry Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What are you babbling about? The NRA was instrumental in the NICS being implemented to begin with. Just recently, the NRA's Director of Federal Affairs questioned Biden on why felons who fail the background check aren't prosecuted. If you have anything to show that the NRA no longer supports the NICS law then show that. As it is, you're just making unfounded implications.
     
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  19. Meta777

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    What are you babbling about? The NRA supported both the NICS system and universal background checks. Of course, now that's all in the past, and the NRA leadership no longer seems to be in support of universal background checks. As for the NICS system, who knows, though you sure seem to know.
    If you have anything to show that the NRA still supports the NICS law then show that. As it is, you're just making unfounded implications.

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Mar 9, 2013
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  20. Pred

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    Actually since most handgun deaths are happening in liberal dominated areas, guess who's fault it really is?
     
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  21. Bondo

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    Ayuh,... The question should be, Why should We continue to support a Failed program....

    I know that's a hard concept for a Progressive to understand,...

    The rest of Us know, that if somethin' don't work, fix it, or abandon it, 'n move on....
    The Government has No interest in Fixin' it, so it's time to abandon it, 'n move on...
     
    Bondo, Mar 9, 2013
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  22. Meta777

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    You're acting like the NICS system doesn't work at all, when in fact it has been successful in identifying and preventing sale of guns to prohibited individuals in roughly 1.8 million instances between 1994 and 2008.

    And to be frank, you don't really strike me as being all that interested in fixing the NICS system yourself, and neither does the NRA.
    If you folks think the system is broken and dosn't do what it was intended to do, then why not suggest some improvements?
    And again, how does the NRA's opposition to universal background checks fix the NICS system?
    And as for the government trying to fix it, there have been proposals made to do just that.

    In fact, universal background checks happens to be one of them.
    In addition, laws have been passed in the past to improve the NICS database itself. NIAA for example.
    So again, if you think the system is flawed in some way that can be fixed, make your solution known.

    With that said, supposing that no matter what we do to try to improve the NICS system,
    if it turns out to be the case that we cannot make the system perfect,
    do you really think that that in itself is enough reason to eliminate the system entirely?

    -Meta
     
    Meta777, Mar 9, 2013
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    Another government will solve every problem in the world thread from the PF liberals.
    Okay. Carry on.

    Heh.
     
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    The number is erroneous because it also includes false positives.
     
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  25. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    How many?
     
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