The more the gun nuts fight the assualt weapons ban, the more attention it gets

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  1. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Who is suggesting that the federal government is going to ban all firearms or that they will go house to house confiscating weapons?
    That sounds like some sort of straw-man...
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Duh. Prosecuting current law only makes logical sense. Passing laws that will do nothing to stop something like Sandy Hook and will only produce red tape for law abiding citizens is not only illogical, but stupid.

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    Jo Wohl Mein Herr. You feel you can dictate what people need then you can accept that I can dictate what you need. You statists make me sick.
     
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    What exactly are you trying to say here?
    That requiring universal background checks is useless because it will not make it more difficult for prohibited individuals to get weapons?
    Or are you suggesting that making it more difficult for criminals and the mentally ill to get weapons is itself a useless endeavor?
     
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    Jiyuu-Freedom Keep the peace Past Donor

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    We gun owners are far from nuts. When you apply for a permit, they do a background check. These liberals who speak of magazines and semi automatic weapons don't have a clue about them. I am talking about those under Obama.

    The NRA has always been proactive with the public and listen to proposed legislation but when these liberals in the Whitehouse are trying to change the second amendment, it never flies.

    Most folks who buy guns from this association are responsible gun owners. Do you seriously think a few kids getting ahold of their parents guns compares to the amount of responsible gun owners who lock theirs up?

    The problem is this kooky parents that can't admit their kid needs help or ignore's the problem. They should be the ones fined for having unlocked safes or leaving their guns around any youth.
     
  5. Johnny-C

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    Nonsense. It's blood-thirsty individuals, who romanticize the efficacy of FLOODING this society with firearms... who are seriously a threat to us ALL. :(
     
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    You 'believe' you know... still, based upon other arguments I have heard, you probably don't know as much as you think you do.

    Reasonable people have every right to disagree on these matters, and people should be willing to accept that by now.
     
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    Johnny you have the right to your own opinion but those opinions shouold be based on fact not on feelings. The fact are crime and violence in this country have been trending downward for two decades even as the economy has tanked. This according to the leftist world view of what causes crime and violence should not even be possible. This has further hapened even as the number of both of guns and of people walking about armed with one have increased. According to leftist theories concerning guns this should also not be possible. Ergo it is the left's views on guns, crime, and violence that are apprently a variance with reality.
     
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    Of course they have a right to disagree, and that is easy to accept.
    My point was more about what you are going to do about it when people don't give a rat's rear about your rights?

    Gun owners know what it is like when you don't respect their rights.
    But you can feel safe, because if we are going to just start throwing rights out the window, your right to disagree is not among the ones I would start with.:wink:
     
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    Such BS. Just because you fantasize about other people does not make it true. If anything, you statists are the biggest danger to society and freedom. You little Napoleons feel the need to control other people because you are control freaks.
     
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    What you are suggesting is more red tape that will do nothing to stop the crimes that you are complaining about. It will not make it more difficult for criminals to get guns, not in the least. The problem with the gun grabbers is that they live in a fantasy world and think more laws will make a difference to criminals.
     
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    Not really.

    No fantasizing, just looking at what has transpired right before everyone's eyes. We don't all reach the same conclusions; that is obvious.

    I'm not what you label me as being; even so, I can see we disagree.
     
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    Guns, in my view and overall experience are not the answer. I will live and advocate accordingly, even in the political sense.

    We have and are proliferating too many firearms within this society; there is PROFIT in it, and that is a big part of the problem.

    We are about greed, blood and death. That needs to change or we will destroy this nation.
     
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    A lot of things are about PROFIT. I would hope any self-respecting business would seek PROFIT. Does this capitalization off the word PROFIT drive our points home better or have the rules for writing the word PROFIT changed?

    As for the rest of your post, stop trying so hard. This illogical emotional appeal to proliferate your vaguely quasi-reasoned opinion will not win you any awards. Feeling that something is right or wrong is a lot different than using facts and evidence to prove it.
     
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    The greed part is pretty rich, seeing as every time new gun legislation comes up, we end up selling all the surplus weapons in a matter of months.
    The prices for weapons and ammunition skyrocket, and the tax dollars roll in ... so let's talk about greed and proliferation.
    Your desire to slow the proliferation of weapons, is completely and utterly destroyed when the government talks about new weapons regulations.

    I am not saying that I don't understand your nonsense, but that you simply don't understand how ineffective your argument is.
    The lust for blood and death is just plain funny, because a little under a third of the population are legal gun owners.

    I would still love to see how you justify your right to disagree being more important that anyone's right to bear arms.
    I would like to see how you think that any right is protected if you don't have the means by which to protect it.

    It is a simple concept to get your head around ... If you want to dig a hole it helps to have a shovel ... and you don't necessarily need public opinion on your side.
     
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    It is the single biggest source out there...all the others are smaller numbers. The left is treating the sniffles while the patient suffers from the cancer of culture rot.
     
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    Thread closure/linking to another forum and flame bait thread
     
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