The more the gun nuts fight the assualt weapons ban, the more attention it gets

Okay, you can take it that way if you want. So be it. Even so, I'm telling you (right here), that I was seeking to impress upon ANYONE the idea that as strongly as people felt about having slaves or not having them... is about the same intensity as this issue.

Grasp the context; stop complaining here; please.

Well then, don't be distracted from the point by that 'perceived' arrogance. I meant to say what I was saying as strongly as I could.

I realize/accept that you don't like it.

 

It is not the media guiding me,it is my progressive involvement against gun violence.
I disagree with you that gun violence is down,but I will go do research on that to see whether that is true or not,but I will say,it really doesn't matter,this is the here & now & the future that concerns me.
It is not the 2nd Amendment that we are attacking,that misconception is what Lepierre is advocating,which is really sad. We are advocating common sense gun control & making sure that the laws that are already on the books are being enforced better.
But ,you say,nothing will get done,I beg to differ,there was a Congressional election in Chicago today,to fill Jesse Jackson Jr's vacant seat--Robin Kelly,who got a (D) rating from the NRA won the election 55 %over name recognition favorite Holverson,who had an (A) rating by the NRA,17%-this is with 67% of votes in.
Congressional hearings on 4 gun control bills will be on Thursday,am really looking forward to what they have to say.
So,you might have been right in your arguments,even as little as 3 months ago,but things are changing & changing fast & for the better.
You can help,instead of being so anti,be part of the solution. Help find a solution to take the guns out of the hands of people that are causing
so much pain.

 

ADDED ADDENDUM; http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/gun-violence/welcome.htm
So,that didn't take me long to research. you were right in that gun violence was down,but only" briefly",I don't understand for the life of me,why you gun advocates only want to tell part of the story,tell it all & then let people decide for themselves. The truth is,it is pretty friggin bad out there.

 

We aren't talking about simply gun violence here but all violence regardless of source. Again go read Lott - Mustard. Kleck has also produced several first rate studies on guns and violence in the US. Studies that don't look at all violence are only telling you half the story.

 

He was right.....perhaps not about it being written every 19 years, but he was right about the needs of the people changing over time. We do not need the same things that they did in the 1780's. The constitution was a great document at that time, but you can not wear the cloths you wore at 5 years old when you are 30, and patching them does not wear that. The same is true about the constitution. Amending it only helps so much.

Eventually, the needs of the people will change so much that the constitution is more of a liability than anythng else. We need a way to put a new one, that better fits those needs, in place.

 

There is no such thing as gun control, only people control and you can see how well that is working in Chicago. Common Sense gun control is still "control", which is the result of misguided utopians thinking they can control people with laws when in fact all laws are for is to punish people. What you wish now to do is to punish law abiding citizens for doing nothing wrong. That is what true control freaks do. People go into politics because they want to control other people.

 

I don't agree with your anology at all,but you can go right on thinking it if you want,don't want you to feel as if someone is trying to control your thoughts.
The fact is,we have laws that Govern this country,you can call "laws" control, but you also have the freedom to leave this country if you don't like the laws. Some of these gun laws have been so loosely enforced to the point that we now have a huge problem. same as illegal immigration (but that is another thread).
I just wish more of the pro-gun advocates would get out of the "Control" of the loony Lepierre from the NRA!
And I personally feel,politicians(or the majority of) run for office to be of genuine community service,not to control.
But,if you feel the GOP is trying to control too much,call your GOP representative & tell him to stop it.

 

You obviously can not comprehend what I wrote and you make responses that either make no sense or you cannot back up.

I will ask you one question. Why has violent crime decreased by 1/2 in the last 20 years?

 

Hold up. You're the one trying to change the current laws so shouldn't you be the one invited to leave the country?

 

You must have missed my ADDEMDUM post with link a few posts back. That answers that question.
Nope,I did not miscomprehend what you said.
I just simply did not agree with your analogy.
I was giving my opinion on the subject.
Do you want facts like 119 filibusters by the GOP Senate,because they are cry babies that just can't believe they don't have a GOP POTUS, You mean facts like that? I can produce 100's of those.
I'll give you an example of police & loose enforcement of laws,this has to do with bullets; there was an occasion that I was helping my boss clear out one of her apartment rentals,we found a bag that contained used needles & drugs, & also several boxes of bullets,by law,we had to call the police to come & remove the used needles,while the officer was there,I handed him the boxes of bullets to dispose of also,he said " oh,you have to dispose of those yourself,I found that hard to believe,so I called our sheriff & he said,the police officer was wrong,he should have taken the bullets.The sheriff,himself came & got them. So,what was up with that? Either the officer didn't know the law or was turning a blind eye.That is what I mean when I say the gun control laws have to be better enforced,& that includes what goes into the guns.

 

Will you state the law or statute that says you had to turn the bullets in?

 

You go find the law or statute if you want to. I called the sheriff,he said the police officer was wrong,I took his word for it.In other words I trusted that the sheriff knew the law.Good enough for me & was happy to be rid of the bullets.

 

And at one time it was also legal for African americans to be property that women be disbarred from voting, Because a law exists does not make it right.

And the way your addendum didn't mention an increase in much of anything other tha a very slight up tick in gun violence. Over all violence is down and has been in decline even as concealed carry and gun ownership have increased. That is from the FBI.

 

That does not mean he even knows the law. Many officer's are not versed in the law. Just because he said so does not make it law.

You are the one claiming that the law was not followed so show us the law that was not followed.

 

http://www.ehow.com/how_2002552_dispose-ammunition.html
So,just out of curiosity I went & looked up,how to properly dispose of bullets. Here's the link. The Sheriff was right!

 

What's a gun nut?

 

A gun nut is a person who instructs his wife to start blasting the front yard in the dark with a shotgun if she hears a noise.

Here, this is a gun nut:

 

Pew, Pew, Pew!

 

Your reference contains a bit of spin...Go straight to the actual records, the dept of Justice and the FBI...You will find a two decade long consistent drop in violent crime in the USA...

 

My reference is from the government, what, now,your going to argue that,because this reference doesn't fit your argument,you want it dismissed! -----Stellar-------but,what difference does it make?,truth is gun violence & massacres are up "NOW". Let's talk about how we stop the gun violence "NOW",shall we?

 

Your link pretty much proves that homicides have been on the decline for the last 20 years.

1992 9.3 per 100,000
2008 4.8 per 100,000 (last available data)

 

It also states ,that "gun related homicides have increased slightly each year since 2002",but ,Did you miss the part in my post, that I said" you were correct". So,now you want to argue to what degree you were correct?
I have an idea,why don't you & JimV argue over this,cause obviously one of you are incorrect(according to your posts anyway) & I'll spend my energy helping to deal with the gun violence happening in the here & now!

 

The key word is slightly. The trend is decline. Nice try.

 

I'm not nice trying anything,I went & did my research & posted the link,you can parse the words all you want,they are not my words,but again,whatever! It has no bearing on "what is happening" here & now!! And again,I posted that you were correct.
If you want to continue arguing on this point,you will eventually create a strawman,in then which you are arguing with yourself...just saying

 

But your problem remains that you are excluding every other kind of violence. Over all violence is down there are fewer rapes, fewer robberies, fewer assaults fewer home invasion crimes. Over all violence is down and continues to decline.