Part 5 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Yep...

    god again shows that "he keeps it Real."

    As pointed out above in tbe previous post, God, as described in the Bible, is the force behind the ever unfolding Reality that sires his son," Truth."
     
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    So, what is that pre-existing energy and where did it come from?
     
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    That, is exactly what science is trying to find out...and going by recent advances in understanding and technology, it will not be long before they figure it out.

    One by one science had forced religions to "Adjust" when aspects of scripture are shown to be falsehoods.....I cannot see a way out of this one.

    I am sure they will come up with something though...should be entertaining.
     
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    Amazing moses doesn't even know his step brother's name, the pharaoh. You've lost this exodus argument already.
     
  5. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Isn't that precisely why you are so against the jews or the muslims? Even though it is the same God?
    Why you don't follow hinduism, buddahism, or other isms?

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    There has to be 5 pages on this alone already in the thread. Your debating to a closed mind.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The other Isms......don't have a cool Zombie in them.
     
  7. dairyair

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    God...where did God come from? Pre-existing energy. And on it goes.
     
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    Proper interpretation of the Bible is that the Pharaoh's heart was already harden that is why Hebrews were enslave for thousands of years and God was to finally teach the Pharaoh a lesson that no matter how hard the Pharaoh's heart is he must not defy the True God.
     
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    It means that atheist actually do believe in a god or gods of their own and the reason they are so against Christians because they want to convert us at all cost. Because if atheist do not believe in a god or God they won't care about us Christians or other religious people but they care in a negative way.

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    Slyhunter and you are wrong because you have wrongly interpret and understand the Bible. The Pharaoh's heart was already harden even before God send Moses to free the Hebrews from slavery.
     
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    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    Moses didn't have to mention his step brother's name because he is the Pharaoh, this argument is only consider a lost to those who claim to have won.
     
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    That's true. Pharaoh's heart was softened by the plagues and he repeatedly agreed to free the Hebrews, only changing his mind after God hardened his heart. Scripture isn't fuzzy about this.
    I completely understand your desire to reject this, but it can't be refuted. It's very clear in scripture, and it has ramifications as to how one interprets the nature of God. That is why your need to reject the plain language of the scripture is so great.
    It's horrible.
     
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    Now your claim is they were enslaved for THOUSANDS of years? Even before they were a tribe? Even though egypt has no historical record of slavery?

    Moses was 80 years old at the time of the Exodus (Exodus 7:7), 430 years after the descent into Egypt.2 Hence Moses was born around 351 PD.
    http://www.reasons.org/articles/fro...-proof-of-genealogical-gaps-in-genesis-part-2
     
  13. GraspingforPeace

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    Dude believes in the "Bible", and by "Bible" I mean a completely different book in his head that doesn't match what the literal Bible actually says.
     
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    Exactly.

    Reality is almighty as it forever unfolds and envelops life in the net frame to which all life must bow down and adapt,... or become extinct.

    The facts-of-Life clearly would have been against a 90 year old Moses, strolling back to Egypt, confronting the most powerful man on the earth at that time,telling him about a new never before noticed God which was even greater than the Sun and worthy iof replacing Pharaoh as that Sun god's representative on Earth.

    That just doesn't really happen.

    But in the end, the scientific evidence that Moses presented to all the citizens of Egypt turned them to this unseen God, and even Pharaoh was forced to claim that one God was almighty and above all others,...
     
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    Egypt has no records that they practice slavery? Uhm, this would mean Egypt was the perfect empire they treat their subjects and conquered people with jusr compensation while at the same time building massive pyramids. Well, if you can prove that ancient Egpyt did not practive slavery I will kow tow to you 3x.
     
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    Pharaoh's heart was never soften that is why he was so harsh and brutal towards the slaves.
    http://carm.org/bible-difficulties/romans-philemon/god-hardened-pharaohs-heart-right
    Pharaoh was a sinner who deserved the righteous judgment of God. Some say that God simply strengthened Pharaoh's heart towards its natural tendency. Others maintain that God actively hardened his the heart. Whichever the case, Pharaoh rejected the true and living God and God used him for His own purpose.
     
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    So why don't people live to be 300, 400, 500 years old anymore?
     
  18. cupid dave

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    Nobody knows what Energy actually is.

    Physicists have agreed that it is an "ability" that can make things move, hence does Work.

    In fact, Energy is defined as Work, E = W = FxD.
    We can measure these things, Work and Energy, determining how much was involved, be we know little about what Energy actually is except is has no mass, requires no Space to exist, and is independent of Time.

    That sounds very much like our position on God, too.
     
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    They never did.

    The genealogy in Genesis is a list of species, not individuals.

    The hint that these species lived inordinately long durations that seemed at least believable to ancient readers actually infers for us thousands of years for the 22 now extinct humans that led to our ascent as Modern Homos.






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    Then why would God need to harden it?
    You are right about one thing. God used Pharaoh for his own purposes.
     
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    here's a question 4 u

    Why do people hate outspoken Catholics so much?

    i think i alreaydy know the answer, tho
     
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    people hate the RC Church

    because they dont u/stand it

    and have been brainwashed against it, sometimes all their lives, beginning w/ anticatholic parents

    from the outside looking in, i suppose the Church does look a little strange

    but once you get inside... different story

    spend time in the Real Presence of Christ some time... you will get a totally different persepctive on your life... your personal situation, etc...

    of course u have 2b there more than 5 minutes... but hey, even 5 min w/ Jesus is... awesome...
     
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    Everything had to begin somewhere. Nothing is eternal. If your existence didnt have a beginning then you dont exist. Its a circular reference and existence cant be a circular reference. If God does exist then it started somewhere. The Bible uses to word eternal to cleverly circumvent the circular reference. Just like the free will issue.
    Secondly you need to reread my post. Im fairly certain I said Tentatively when speaking of the higgs boson. But the second its confirmed as matter of fact we will be rediscussing this in great detail. If confirmed we already have done what was previously touted as something only god could do.
     
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    hmm my parents raised me Catholic. It was the Church that turned me away from the Church. I've spent plenty of time there and it was never ever "Awesome". As Ive stated before I began questioning the Church in second grade when they punished me for not making up pretend sins.
     
  25. Mitt Ryan

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    Quote Posted by Woody:

    Christianity will in all essence destroy itself as its doing now. Church memberships are down, less young people are going to church and seeking other avenues. Christianities vain attempt to become to sole religious belief will FAIL as its doing now. It has not convinced the world its the only religion.
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    The direction of membership (growth or decline) remains very stable," writes the Yearbook’s editor, the Rev. Dr. Eileen Lindner. "That is, churches which have been increasing in membership in recent years continue to grow and likewise, those churches which have been declining in recent years continue to decline."

    However, Lindner points out, "the rates of both growth and decline have generally slowed in comparison to recent years."

    Christianity is not and will not destroy itself. It is only wishful thinking coming from enemies such as yourself Woody, who, because of intense hatred, would love to see turmoil after turmoil within the Church. But sorry it is here to stay until the end of the earth.

    Furthermore, Christianity is not attempting to become the sole religion because there will always be people believing in other religions and of course there will always be people putting their faiths in no religion at all (i.e. atheists)

    Christianity does not force anyone to believe or imposes its belief on others. You have the free will to either accept it or reject it (such as what you've been doing Woody)

    Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ knows that not all people would be saved when He said, "You can enter God's Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it. ---Matthew 7:13-14 NLT
     
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