‘What stands between us and what happened in London? Guns, guns, guns’

Why do extremists in America always use 'Liberal' to mean what most people just describe as 'normal human'?

 

Here is a simple fact that makes your claims completely void.

Correlation does not imply causation.

 

Simple facts, and statistic-free: If I'm in a smoke-free environment, I'm not going to be affected by smoke. If I'm in a gun-free environment, I'm not going to be affected by gun crime. Naturally there are nuances to this, but we're talking about possibilities (getting cancer or whatever), as opposed to what has actually happened-18,000+ gun deaths and god only knows how many wholly avoidable injuries.

 

Because 'Britons' aren't a hive mind. If you have citizens are are perfectly law-abiding, and wish to own firearms but cannot because of the oppression of liberal ideology, then you less 'free'.

And on your notion that because the media is silent on the matter, it means there is no injustice.

 

Because they live in a polarized up/down, black/white, on/off, left/right world which recognises no shades of grey.

 

You can also believe in unicorns but that does not make them appear.

 

Since it does not appear to be a stretch for you to imagine putting yourself in such a position, would you think you'd be less or more likely to attempt such an atrocity knowing that concealed carry is the law of the land?

 

It's funny - it would have been logically consistent to ask why snide foreigners use the word "conservative" to describe what the rest of s consider 'normal human', but the point would be lost. That's because Liberal has correctly been assigned as a pejorative, but Conservative has not.

We're proud to be Conservative, and yet what makes "Liberal" a pejorative are the number of liberals who slink away from the term.

 

I know I'll likely be LONG GONE when it reaches the point I'm thinking about. But I'm fairly certain that at some point in the existence of America, enough will have died (children, women, men) that we won't want or favor firearms in this society either.

At that point, they will become so very REGULATED (or made so much more inaccessible) that we would not recognize that 'future' gun culture.

The UK isn't perfect, but it is on a far more sane path (when it comes to guns); ours will ultimately lead us to unnecessary (widespread) avoidable tragedy; it is only a matter of time. In the midst of that "tragedy" (death, self-destruction, fear, pain)... the nation WILL eventually 'change'.

 

But that does NOT mean we cannot study the present situation and culture in America, so that we can improve things.

 

You're correct. People who are not experts in statistics on violence, realize that an environment SATURATED with firearms (as America is becoming) will more than likely lead to problems associated (and combined) with human beings and the same.

Guns and chainsaws don't up and kill people, no... but if there are too many of either laying around or available, we can expect MORE trouble with them.

The UK is and has been on a SANE path as it relates to firearms; we (America) are not.

 

WRONG! Join the NRA and learn something!

 

Nobody every tried to shoot me with a gun either. However ever single (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) day I drive to work instead of smelling the nice fresh air I have to smell the wreak of the cigarette smokers in front of me polluting the air for the rest of us.

 

Ahhh but we are not in a smoke-free environment. We non smokers are forced to breathe in smokers pollution periodically. I have to drive behind them and also walk through their cloud as I exit my place of work. It is factually more dangerous than guns so Ill ask again where is your fervor to protect innocent people from this plague? Are you only concerned with saving innocent people from guns?
So do you agree we should ban smoking while driving then since we who don't smoke are forced to breathe in their pollution when we don't want to?

 

No. I'm not (right now) regarding the firearms manufacturers, preeminent lobbyist organization's PROPAGANDA. The NRA may have been about something more positive and noble long ago, but now I am certain enough that MONEY drives their overall agenda.

You keep stuffing that NRA talk into your own mind if you wish, but I know I have surely heard what they had to say for most of my life.

Really, it is time for something a few degrees (at least) away from what you, the NRA and others proponents of greater firearms proliferation have to say.

 

Gosh, more guns, looser laws during the last two decades and gun crime has dropped by 1/2. If you are such a believer in studying, why not study that?

 

Whatever you think it is that MORE guns can do for a society, has likely reached its limits here in America.

 

So you admit that gun violence has been reduced by 1/2 the last two decades then.

 

I don't think you'd give a crap either way, once you've crossed the line into doing something like that, at that point, it's like WTF, pull your gun. DO IT!

 

It's the truth, and you can't handle the truth! Sales of firearms etc are important, because that's what the members want. I have been to a national NRA Convention, and it's nice to see all the guns and hunting supplies displayed. The NRA has a greater purpose, the proper saving of the Second Amendment, and that's their focus!

 

I know that you are touching upon reality, but YOU don't see the parts that you could question (as I do). In other words, you do not have every answer, just the ones you know; and you are apparently SATISFIED with the same. Okay, I get that.

And hell no... I'm not promising to nor able to hand you any perfect answers outside of your PARADIGM or BELIEFS. All I know is that from what I have heard and seen (even experienced) you and yours views CAN indeed be questioned or scrutinized.

Things WILL change, but I've seen people deny that thousands of times before; I cannot necessarily convince them. That is, change is more INEVITABLE than the likelihood that I could persuade them that is so. Just wait.

I KNOW NRA MEMBERS PERSONALLY; they do not all agree with what the organization is doing. What YOU say "the members want", isn't necessarily accurate.

I'm not into that, but I do know the value of having weapons available when they are needed. I believe in self defense, but I'm no gun/weapons fanatic.

I DO NOT TRUST the NRA one single iota; people should scrutinize them as much as any other organization.

 

As YOU and others with your mindset wield the statistics, I'm only skeptical. (Sorry.)

 

The NRA and the ones supporting it have saved the Second Amendment in this country, and that's important to me. No organization is perfect, but it's the best thing we have that wields the needed political clout. I trust them to do what's correct, and do not trust the radical left that opposes them.

 

No, I don't buy that. I think all the NRA did was promote an extreme and dangerous "interpretation" of the same.

The debate is 'on' and probably will be, until the craziness is addressed.

Of course. But it is NOT important to ALL other Americans and not in the same way it is to you. This issue is hardly laid to rest.

I do not TRUST the NRA and I have my reasons.

 

I respect your right to be wrong! I tend to look at the positives rather than dwell on a few negatives.