Part 6 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Maybe if you had read the Bible you would have not asked the question where would all the water come from because in Genesis, chapter 7, the Bible tells us specifically where the water came from for Noah's flood:

"After seven days, the waters of the flood came and covered the earth. When Noah was 600 years old, on the seventeenth day of the second month, all the underground waters erupted from the earth, and the rain fell in mighty torrents from the sky. The rain continued to fall for forty days and forty nights." (verses 10-12 NLT)

"For forty days the floodwaters grew deeper, covering the ground and lifting the boat high above the earth. As the waters rose higher and higher above the ground, the boat floated safely on the surface. Finally, the water covered even the highest mountains on the earth, rising more than twenty-two feet above the highest peaks. (verses 17-20 NLT)

And the floodwaters covered the earth for 150 days. (verse. 24 NLT)

Why don't you read the entire passage to answer your 2nd question on where did all the water go.

I tell ya, you should first read the Bible in its entirety before becoming a skeptic...eh?

 

And this would all make sense... if there was anyway possible for that amount of water to reside in the sky or in the Earth.

 

Where would all of the biodiversity come from after that event? There's no point in talking to someone who takes the flood myth seriously. It's an indication of just how far gone that person is.

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Are you a champion of the ice canopy hypothesis, by chance?

 

Jesus might well be an historic figure.
The universal flood is an impossibility. It was never meant as anything but a fable.

 

The Noah story comes from an event when the land mass that divided the Med Sea and the Black sea collapsed.

Since the Med was at a higher elevation that the Black sea a massive flood occurred all around the rim of the Black sea and turned the once Fresh Water and much smaller Black Sea into a salt water sea.

It is completely impossible in the EXTREME for the entire planet and all land masses to be flooded and under water.

It is even MORE IMPOSSIBLE to get a male and female of every animal on the planet on a boat and it has been calculated that even if you had 100,000 doing this for 1000 years....YOU STILL COULDN'T DO IT!!!!

Never mind the fact only 2 animals do not have the genetic diversity to produce more than just a few generations before they would go sterile.

Complete NONSENSE.

AboveAlpha

 

I suspect I have read and studied the Bible longer than you have - around 60 years.

'The waters of the deep' refer to the oceans. Frankly if you think about it you will realise the impossibility of the 'earth covering' flood.

Water finds its own level. The rains must have come from the oceans, which would have lowered the level of the oceans. Water does not come from space.
The oceans cannot rise unless more water is emptied into them. IF the oceans rose, and any underground water rose with them that would leave empty space beneath them, into which the water would fall back.
There is only so much water on earth. Even if all the icepacks were to melt they would not significantly change the level of the oceans.

There is only one way to cover the whole earth with water. Lower all the mountains and hills, raise all the sea beds until the whole earth is of one level.
Then the waters could cover the earth. But then we have the problem of the mountain that the Ark rested on, and the leaf of the tree brought back to the Ark. Neither could have existed. Nor do we have any evidence of such cataclysmic events occurring twice in the period of 6 months - or ever.

Fill a bath half full with water, somehow separate the bath into half. At one end put an object the height of the bath (Mount Ararat) in one half. Take water from the other half of the bath and cover Ararat.Having moved the 'oceans' to cover Ararat you have a half empty, dry bath. You could always turn on the taps for water from 'space'.

There is only so much water on earth. What is moved from one place depletes the amount in another.

 

It was "hyperevolution" of the created kinds. Honestely, you dont even know that?

 

Why, of course.
Biblical literalists can't believe in evolution, but hyperevolution is OK.

 

Just as long as it was hypermicroevolution, I'm sure they'll be cool with it.

 

weird isnt it?

 

Where in the verse I stated mentioned, "the waters of the deep"? The verse I stated mentioned, "all the underground waters erupted from the earth," it is not the same as saying "the waters of the deep".

Do you have trouble reading simple plain English? It appears you do have trouble. 60 years you have studied the bible and for 60 years you have mistaken "underground waters" to mean the same as "the waters of the deep"...my! my!

"Underground waters" refers to the water that is subterranean that is underground lying beneath the earth's surface, which is under the ocean floor.

There is a lot of water under the ocean floor more than in the oceans. There is some evidence that the inner rocks of the earth may contain anywhere from 5 to 30 times as much water as is in all the oceans combined.

So this underground waters are independent from the waters of the ocean...capiche? Now after learning something new, can you see the possibility of all this water covering the entire earth?

I tell ya guys like you who come to my thread keep learning new stuff enough which tends to make you ponder the validity of the Holy Bible, and that it is not a book of myths...oh yes indeed!

 

lolololololol

 

Where do you get this stuff?
Waters "erupted from the Earth"? Is that now the start of Noah's flood? What happened to "it rained 40 days and 40 nights"?
The inner rocks of the earth may contain anywhere from 5 to 30 times as much water as is in all the oceans combined?

Surely, you're not making it up yourself. There must be some implausible source somewhere.

Before insulting other members with "Do you have trouble reading simple plain English?" and "capiche?" as if you were some sort of Mafia Don, you'd do well to check your sources.

Trust me, they're bogus.

 

The establishment strongly disagrees with your statement. There are serious enough concerns over continued melting that is far from total meltdown.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/29/sea-level-rise-cities-towns/2593727/

http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2021647222_sealevelsxml.html

There are some island states that have already been reported as becoming untenable because of the rising ocean level.

 

'Underground waters' is your Bible's 'interpretation'. Suggest you look at other, various versions. 'Deep waters' in the Bible usually refers to seas/oceans - as in Jonah, Psalms and other references you can look at. Jesus even tells his disciples to 'cast out into the deep' on Lake Galilee.

I've read all the theories about Noahs flood. Most of them by Christians desperate to prove it 'true'.

If all the water in the earths crust surfaced, what would fill the space - air? Or would the crust that was above it would collapse into the space left. the water would not raise the surface level of the oceans one foot.

Any educated child with an open mind should be able to figure out the impossibility of Noahs flood. The earth contains only so much water and to raise that level by 16,000+ feet (Ararat) let alone 29,000+ feet (Everest) is nonsense.

Like you I once accepted the Bible as absolutely true. But study has proved that this is not so.

I've learnt nothing from your thread that I haven't discarded in the past.

 

I agree. But I did say 'significantly'. Low lying land would certainly be affected.

 

Contrary to your view of what is significant:

“If the polar ice caps melted enough to cause the ocean levels to rise several feet or a few meters, however, the results would be significant. The streets of many current coastal cities would be underwater. Low-lying countries, such as many of those in Indonesia, could become almost entirely submerged. Flooding also could cover much farmland and affect the world's food supply.”

http://www.wisegeek.org/what-would-happen-if-the-polar-ice-caps-melted.htm

With 90% of the world’s ice located in the Antarctic and not floating in contrast to the case in the Arctic, the ocean would rise 50 meters as a result of Antarctic meltdown, about 200 feet as per the following site.

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/infodata/lesson_plans/When Polar Ice Caps Melt.pdf

 

You should first understand the science behind underground aquifers.

There is only ONE POSSIBLE REASON why any underground water would rush out to the surface and that would be an IMPOSSIBLE EVENT of the entire Earth's Crust being heated well above 212 Degrees F. which would sent a great amount of STEAM streaming out of the crust.

This amount of water...STILL WOULD NOT BE ENOUGH if added to all liquid water existing and created by polar ice melt....to completely cover all land masses.

The only way this could even happen is if the Earth's Core and Mantle began to Super Heat....which would only be possible if the Earth was caught up in some Gravitic Anomaly perhaps caused by the passing of a rouge and small fast traveling Black Hole.

This even would most likely kill all life on Earth and even perhaps rip the Earth apart.

So...PLEASE...try learning first about what you are talking about.

AboveAlpha

 

I get this stuff from facts coming from scientists, concerning "underground water". I thought you atheists take everything coming from scientists as being "Golden"?...lol

I guess maybe you didn't get the latest memo from the scientists...eh? Or you pick and choose which stuff you like coming from scientists...eh?...lol

Yes, it did rain for 40 days and nights along with the underground waters erupting...sounds like you're another skeptic who doesn't first bother to read the Holy Bible before opening your mouth...sheesh!...lol

Here is the passage that I posted on the previous page. "After seven days, the waters of the flood came and covered the earth. When Noah was 600 years old, on the seventeenth day of the second month, all the underground waters erupted from the earth, and the rain fell in mighty torrents from the sky. The rain continued to fall for forty days and forty nights." Genesis 7:10-12 NLT)

 

Post ONE SINGLE REPUTABLE AND VIABLE LINK THAT SUPPORTS YOUR ASININE ASSERTION.

AboveAlpha

 

You quote "scientists, concerning "underground water"?

and then you rewrite Genesis to boot?

What scientist has ever said that the water underground may be "5 to 30 times as much water as is in all the oceans combined"?


I've never claimed to be an atheist, but you don't have to be an "atheist" to see that the Biblical flood is just a story.

 

You got a computer...go do some research and find out what your scientist buddies say about subterranean water or underground water.

And where have I rewritten Genesis? The passage I posted comes from the New Living Translation Holy Bible which is an acceptable Bible just as the King James version is. Some of the wording might be different but basically nothing has been changed as far as the meaning of the passages.

The New Living Translation is much easier to understand and is an accurate literal translation of the KJV. But I guess that is something you did not know. Keep coming to my thread and you'll learn lots of stuff you didn't know before.

 

Why would I try to research sites that support your unfounded notions? More water in the rocks than in the ocean? That's not science.
If the "New Living Translation" is an accurate translation, why is it different from all the rest?
If you want to support the idea that the flood was a real event, and you're willing to some revision to ancient writings, why not just rewrite Genesis to say that there was a local flood, and that Noah saved some farm animals by building a boat? That may or may not have happened, but it is at least plausible and possible. There is no way that the universal flood and saving all of the animals of the world is a literal historical event. It is impossible. You'd be as well off maintaining that the children's poem "Hy Diddle Diddle" meant a cow actually jumped over the moon. It's simply an impossibility.

 

The Flood Event was caused by the collapse of the Land Mass separating the Med Sea and the Black Sea.

Since the Med. was higher in elevation when this land mass collapsed it caused salt water to rush in to the lower Black Sea which at the time was Fresh Water...and flood the surrounding Black Sea basin.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for a world wide flood to occur.

AboveAlpha

 

So how did the Jews get in the area of the Black Sea?