Part 7 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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    You are conveniently leaving out the abundant evidence that is there. The polar ice, for example that has been there for well over a hundred thousand years.

    As for "absence"..

    If you call 911 to report that a 100,000 strong buffalo herd is savaging your petunias, and the police come only to find that all is in good order, we recommend that you tell them..


    Sorry but lack of evidence is not absence of evidence


    If there is a jury involved, they wont be out for long before they come back with that verdict.

    Im sure they will believe your story, and just keep looking.
     
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    I only need one:

    What is the evidence that a deity exists?

    Until such evidence presents itself there is no reason to think such an entity exists and, ergo, that your religion or any religion has any factual merit.
     
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    Been noticing any unfactual demerit?[
     
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    Hypothetically and in that alternative; would you really want to Know you are in Nexus 6, with Zardoz.
     
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    Quote Posted by AlphaOmega on pg. 46 #453 of Part 3

    Why did God create Dinosaurs millions of years before Humans?
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    Are we suppose to know the answer to a question like that? We can only theorize, speculate, guess, kinda like those scientists that tell us dinosaurs were created millions of years before humans.

    Even though they have their scientific contraptions we can never be absolutely sure of their accuracy.

    And since we humans have a finite mind not having insight to 100% of all knowledge which is another way of saying we are not omniscient we can really never know the answers to questions that boggle us.
     
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    LOLOL.. Do you know how common dinosaur fossils are world wide? Yet.. there is no mention of them in the Bible or any other ancient writings.

    Of course you know that ancient man also found fossils.. and they must have also wondered.
     
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    once they've ventured onto the path of madness, there is nothing along the way that seems too weird for them.
     
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    Quote Posted by AlphaOmega on pg. 46 #453 of Part 3

    Do you believe in Dinosaurs as Science currently documents?
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    Yes because dinosaur fossils are common world wide but I just don't know how accurate our brilliant scientists are when they theorize that they lived millions of years ago.
     
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    Oh its not madness.. Its not even a serious study of faith.. Its just ego.
     
  17. Mitt Ryan

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    Quote Posted by AlphaOmega on pg. 46 #457 of Part 3

    Einstein also did not believe in your form of God because of the existence of Evil that men do. Was he wrong about that?
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    Yes, he was wrong. Albert Einstein was a German-born theoretical physicist who developed the theory of general relativity, effecting a revolution in physics. For this achievement, Einstein is often regarded as the father of modern physics and one of the most prolific intellects in human history.

    So, what was the reason Albert Einstein rejected the existence of a personal God? Einstein recognized the remarkable design and order of the cosmos, but could not reconcile those characteristics with the evil and suffering he found in human existence. How could an all-powerful God allow the suffering that exists on earth?

    Einstein's error ( like most other non-believers)

    Einstein's failure to understand the motives of God are the result of his incorrect assumption that God intended this universe as His ultimate perfect creation. Einstein could not get past the moral problems that are present in our universe.

    He assumed, as most atheists do, that a personal God would only create a universe which is both good morally and perfect physically. However, according to Christianity, the purpose of the universe is not to be morally or physically perfect, but to provide a place where spiritual creatures can choose to love or reject God - to live with Him forever in a new, perfect universe, or reject Him and live apart from Him for all eternity.

    It would not be possible to make this choice in a universe in which all moral choices are restricted to only good ones. Einstein didn't seem to understand that one could not choose between good and bad if bad did not exist. It's amazing that such a brilliant man could not understand such a simple logical principle.

    Conclusion

    No, Albert Einstein was not a Christian or even a theist (one who believes in a personal God), probably because he failed to understand why evil existed. These days, those who fail to understand the purpose of evil not only reject the concept of a personal God, but also reject the concept of God's existence altogether.

    If you are an agnostic or atheist, my goal for you would be to recognize what Albert Einstein understood about the universe - that its amazing design demands the existence of a creator God. Then, go beyond Einstein's faulty understanding of the purpose of the universe and consider the Christian explanation for the purpose of human life and why evil must exist in this world.
     
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    Is the universe GOOD morally?

    Yet you believe in original sin?

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    Is the universe GOOD morally?

    Yet you believe in original sin?
     
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    What if we apply the corporate welfare model, by analogy?
     
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    What is the evidence?? = the UNIVERSE this include you in it.

    Einstein: The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books—-a mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects.
     
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    So, you quote a man who didn't believe in the God that you believe in (he was a pantheist), to prove your God exists?
     
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    And how do you know that it isn't you that is the confused one? Besides you believing that its atheists that are confused.
     
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    Yes.
    The evidence for a creator is found in the Science of Quantum Mechanics which is founded upon the Copenhagen Interpretation of Neils Bohr

    The idea is that everything is just a wave until some observed collapse that wave function its information becomes a material reality.

    Hence, in the beginning, as the heavens and earth were transforming from some primordial initial energy source, an OBSERVER was REQUIRED to collapse the first waves of Elemental particles, and form the material Universe.
     
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    Einstein was a pan-en-theist.


    Panentheism considers God and the world to be inter-related with the world being in God and God being in the world. It offers an increasingly popular alternative to both traditional theism and pantheism. Panentheism seeks to avoid either isolating God from the world as traditional theism often does or identifying God with the world as pantheism does. Traditional theistic systems emphasize the difference between God and the world while panentheism stresses God's active presence in the world. Pantheism emphasizes God's presence in the world but panentheism maintains the identity and significance of the non-divine. Anticipations of panentheistic understandings of God have occurred in both philosophical and theological writings throughout history (Hartshorne and Reese 1953; Cooper, 2006). However, a rich diversity of panentheistic understandings has developed in the past two centuries primarily in Christian traditions responding to scientific thought (Clayton and Peacocke 2004). While panentheism generally emphasizes God's presence in the world without losing the distinct identity of either God or the world, specific forms of panenethism, drawing from a different sources, explain the nature of the relationship of God to the world in a variety of ways and come to different conclusions about the significance of the world for the identity of God.
    http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/panentheism/

    In short, God is the Force of the interacting web of Natural Laws which create, from moment-to-moment, the next frame the Reality within which life is both trapped and nurtured.



    Mark 12:27
    He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.
     
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