Part 7 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

The Copenhagen Interpretation that insists an initial Observer collapse the very first waves of the Big Bang materialization...

 

Yes, a man who do not believe in God but understand and accept God's existence.
Just like I may not believe in you but I know you exist.

 

One can not disbelieve in a thing and accept it as real at the same time.....basic logic.

You make a fool of yourself with this comment.

 

Except that he conceived of an entirely different God than you. Not a God separate from the Universe, but a God that was the Universe.

 

Quote Posted by tecoyah on pg. 46 #455 of Part 3

The rules are there....only because we decided they needed to be.

Thus.....science.

Observation of reality in some ways creates it (Quantum Theory),,,,we have achieved the ability to comprehend these things, and so form knowledge.
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Rules are there because God put them there and we have only begun discovering them.

We know we didn't put them there but they are there...is it all just an accident? I don't believe so. It's there from intelligent design.

The knowledge we have accumulated up to this point in our history still hasn't provided us answers to questions such as why are we here, what is the purpose for living, how did we begin to exist, the answers to those questions have eluded us when looking at it in a scientific perspective.

Science could never answer those types of questions, but thanks to our Creator God, He has provided us those answers in the Holy Bible.

It's already there in an historical, instructional book given to us by our Creator.

 

On the contrary you can disbelief on the qualities of your parents but you can not deny their existence also disbelieving in a thing is not the same as living things. You can disbelief that a rock is not an animal and not accept it as what it is a rock a thing.

Albert Einstein is a best example of a none religious intellectual person who even though he does not believe in God he does not deny God.


“The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes.”

 

The church has always been on the forefront of science and the advancement of civilization in fact during the rise of communism hundreds of intellectuals from communist countries fled and resettle in Western countries that have strong Christian social history and influence even back during the middle ages to the dark ages Christian churches were in the fore front of education.

Atheist communist countries have tried to exterminate Christians by the thousands and in the end Christians endure and succeeded in bringing back sanity to those communist countries and now Russia, Poland, China, East Germany etc. are now more prosperous than they were under the communist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_science
From ancient times, Christian emphasis on practical charity gave rise to the development of systematic nursing and hospitals and the Church remains the single greatest private provider of medical care and research facilities in the world. Following the Fall of Rome, monasteries and convents remained bastions of scholarship in Western Europe and clergymen were the leading scholars of the age - studying nature, mathematics and the motion of the stars (largely for religious purposes). During the Middle Ages, the Church founded Europe's first universities, producing scholars like Robert Grosseteste, Albert the Great, Roger Bacon and Thomas Aquinas who helped establish scientific method. During this period, the Church was also a great patron of engineering for the construction of elaborate cathedrals. Since the Renaissance, Catholic scientists have been credited as fathers of a diverse range of scientific fields: Jean-Baptiste Lamarck (1744–1829) prefigured the theory of evolution with Lamarkism; Friar Gregor Mendel (1822-84) pioneered genetics and Fr Georges Lemaitre (1894-1966) proposed the Big Bang cosmological model. The Jesuits have been particularly active, particularly in astronomy. Church patronage of sciences continues through elite institutions like the Pontifical Academy of Sciences and Vatican Observatory.

Scientific fields with important foundational contributions from Catholic scientists included: physics (Galileo), acoustics (Mersenne), mineralogy (Agricola), modern chemistry (Lavoisier), modern anatomy (Vesalius), stratigraphy (Steno), bacteriology (Kircher and Pasteur), genetics (Mendel), analytical geometry (Descartes), heliocentric cosmology (Copernicus) atomic theory (Boškovi&#263 and the Big Bang Theory on the origins of the universe (Lemaître). Jesuits devised modern lunar nomenclature and stellar classification and some 35 craters of the moon are named after Jesuits, among whose great scientific polymaths were Francesco Grimaldi and Giambattista Riccioli. The Jesuits also introduced Western science to India and China and translated local texts to be sent to Europe for study. Missionaries contributed significantly to the fields of anthropology, zoology and botany during Europe's Age of Discovery.

Isaac Newton is another great Christian scientist as well.

 

So does this mean that you now believe God does exist?
A God that is the Universe because it is God who created the universe.

Einstein:
The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books—-a mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects.

 

Again...your logic is COMPLETELY FLAWED.

Just because Ancient Human Hunter/Gatherers existed in TINY NUMBERS at the site which is now known as Jericho.....DOES NOT MEAN A CITY NAMED JERICHO EXISTED 11,000 YEARS AGO....or anything that could even be called a village or even a small town.

Natufian Hunter-Gatherers c. 10,000 BC
Jericho has evidence of settlement dating back to 10,000 BC. During the Younger Dryas period of cold and drought, permanent habitation of any one location was not possible. However, the spring at what would become Jericho was a popular camping ground for Natufian hunter-gatherer groups, who left a scattering of crescent microlith tools behind them. Around 9600 BC the droughts and cold of the Younger Dryas Stadial had come to an end, making it possible for Natufian groups to extend the duration of their stay, eventually leading to year round habitation and permanent settlement.
Pre-Pottery Neolithic Age, c. 9600 BC

AboveAlpha


An aerial view of Jericho showing the ruins of Tell es-Sultan


Dwelling foundations unearthed at Tell es-Sultan in Jericho


Yarmukian pottery with fishbone decoration
The first permanent settlement was built near the Ein as-Sultan spring between 10,000 and 9000 BC.[17][18] As the world warmed, a new culture based on agriculture and sedentary dwelling emerged, which archaeologists have termed "Pre-Pottery Neolithic A" (abbreviated as PPNA). PPNA villages are characterized by small circular dwellings, burials of the dead within the floors of buildings, reliance on hunting wild game, the cultivation of wild or domestic cereals, and no use of pottery. At Jericho, circular dwellings were built of clay and straw bricks left to dry in the sun, which were plastered together with a mud mortar. Each house measured about 5 metres across, and was roofed with mud-smeared brush. Hearths were located within and outside the homes.[19]
By about 9400 BC the town had grown to more than 70 modest dwellings.[citation needed] Population estimates have been as high as two to three thousand people, but it has been suggested that these are highly exaggerated by at least tenfold.[20] The most striking aspect of this early town was a massive stone wall over 3.6 metres high, and 1.8 metres wide at the base. Inside this wall was a tower over 3.6 metres high, containing an internal staircase with 22 stone steps.[12][21] The wall and tower were unprecedented in human history, and would have taken a hundred men more than a hundred days to construct it. The wall may have been a defence against flood water with the tower used for ceremonial purposes.[20]

 

Not the Abrahamic God. If someone claims that God is the Universe itself, then I don't know how I could reply that the Universe does not exist.

That isn't what Einstein believed. He simply called the Universe a God.

 

Still even though Einstein never said a GOD must exist because so does the Universe.....some people keep saying this again and again and again.

AboveAlpha

 

Yes.

People have been "educated" to think the Church opposition to change over the Galileo event indicates that religious people were against science and reason.
Even the Church was so tied to the pseudo-science of Aristotle and Ptolemy that they thought Galileo and Copernicus (a priest) were wrong and the science of that time was right.
The Church had agreed with Ptolemy, that the Sun rotated the Earth.
It was the Science establishment which fought against these ideas, and enlisted the church's support.

 

Oh for God's sake.. I know it wasnt named Jericho 11,000 years ago but archeologists refer to the site as Jericho. I posted the link for you.

Here is some more information.

Oldest Shaman Grave Found; Includes Foot, Animal Parts


Mati Milstein in Galilee, Israel
for National Geographic News

November 4, 2008

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/11/081104-israel-shaman-missions.html

 

Why should any disciple of the teachings of Jesus the Christ, believe drug tests are more important that morals tests in modern times?

 

11,000 years ago it was just a tiny settlement no name years or decades later it grew to become Jericho the city that would be fought for by the Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Hebrews and Romans. Just like 11, 000 years ago there was no New York City later on New York City will develop from a small town or settlement in the 1650's to a great city.

 

In fact as I have posted, it was the church that led the way in science, philosophy and literature while the secular world was busy killing each other the church will tame the barbaric world and preserve the history of that time up to now the church is highly active in scientific research and development.

 

As is always the case he has no information to offer; all he has to offer is what he makes up about other people.


Oh and "if you dont have 100% of all knowledge"

 

It is a marvel how all of these
creos are able to believe that they have the Power of inerrant readin', know more about science than all the scientists on earth, AND are deeply loved by the "Creator of the Universe".
All of this while hailing from the lower rungs of the socio-economic-educaiton-IQ ladder!

What couldnt they do if they averaged even average intelligence!


All that and yet they is humble, besides, humility being a xtian virtue.

That is some kind of amazin'!

 

you respond only to make his statement even more true?

 

Yes, that is why you have difficulty in accepting the truth that I have been posting.

 

Absolutely not. I have no difficulty in accepting your truth, I believe that posters response and your truth confirmation 100%.

 

Read that back to yourself with the word "creationist". Especially the part about "substance". We've never see any more substance from you that mantra-chantin' outta your talking snake book. But hey if you have some, trot it out, already!

Since you yourself are a creationist, maybe you can tell us how you keep your humility under the circumstances of inerrant readin', knowing more than any / all scientist and being so loved by the "creator of the universe".

How do you do it?

 

How does the fact that we don't understand something evidence of the existence of an all-powerful being? This isn't evidence, it is exactly the opposite.

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That's not evidence, that's a guess.

 

The way certain members arguments were presented it was along the lines of....the City of Jericho existed 11,000 years ago.

It did not...but our Human Ancestors have been using that area for a lot longer than just 11,000....perhaps as far back as 125,000 years.

AboveAlpha