An honest discussion about Racism?

PatriotNews · Oct 30, 2013

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Anyone here ever been on the website "Angrywhitedude.com"?

Well, it's another conservative website, and guess what they do? Yeah, you guessed it, bash blacks and other minorities. They do that, plus talk about race wars, and of course the good old days of segregation and Jim Crow. Funny thing is, the creator of the website claims it's not a racist website, but of course that's a lie. What's also funny is that they hate Republicans nearly as much as democrats. They consider themselves "true conservatives" and not surprisingly, idolize that southern strategy using idiot Ronald Reagan.

Don't believe me? Check out the website for yourself. And there are many more like it.

But yeah, it's the liberals who are the racists, and minorities are so dumb they can't figure it out. Whatever. Go sell that BS somewhere else.
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Reagan had a democrat majority house his entire presidency, mostly racist southern liberal democrats. republicans didn't start taking some of those house seats until Clinton got into office.

Adagio · Oct 31, 2013

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You said this:

The black experience? Obama was raised in Hawaii
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What does Hawaii have to do with your questioning of his understanding of the "black experience"? How is Hawaii relevant to this?

So if you are white you are not allowed to question his experience or qualifications because if you do you are automatically a racist?
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You can question everything from the existence of God, to what day of the week it is if you want, and how dumb you look is up to you. However you have no grounds to question some mans understanding of his own race when you have no possibility of grasping it. You aren't a part of that. You can't possibly know about it. You haven't lived it. Have you had to rely on an Act of Congress in order for you to be able to attend a school or sit in a restaurant? Or to vote? When have you EVER had to experience that? And yeah...it's astonishingly racist for you to imply that you would be in any position to question that? What grounds do you have for even questioning that? It's like telling a woman what's right for her health issues or telling her what qualifies as being "legitimately raped". Are you a sexist as well?

Your comment is foolish and ignorant. See how it works? Call me foolish and ignorant and I'll do it back. I watched the debate, you didn't. The debate was not about pro-civil rights vs anti-civil rights.
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Oh I see exactly. You rely on the Pee-Wee Herman defense for your foolishness? Bravo. We are so impressed. And NO. You didn't watch the debate, so don't play that game. I've watched it many times, which is why I posted it. You hardly even know anything about Buckley and much less about James Baldwin. That's pretty clear. The topic of the debate was "Does the American Dream come at the expense of the Negro." If you had, you might have actually learned something, and one of the things you'd have learned was that James Baldwin overwhelmingly won that debate.

You should apologize for your ignorance about race. I am half-Mexican so you don't have to apologize for my race.
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And this qualifies you to understand the black experience...how? Tell us how you are qualified to comment on a black mans understanding of that experience? You aren't black.

More stupid questions. I never said they were. He was raised in a middle class family by a well paid college professor. My parents were blue collar. He had one sibling, I had 5. He had college grants offered to him as a minority and a foreign student. I was denied college loans after I left the service.
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You haven't answered the question of how he was "higher" on the social scale than you? First,.the number of siblings you have is irrelevant. Second, your comment that you were denied college after you left the "service" is bullsh*t. If by "service" you're talking about military, you had the GI bill. You're inability to take advantage of that is on you. Third, your economic status has NOTHING to do with social status. Your problem is that he applied himself, and you didn't.

You insinuated that his forefathers were slaves
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No I didn't. What I said was what I said. His father was from Kenya, so we don't know if he had any ancestors or relatives that had ancestors that were slaves. He was from Africa, and that's where we got them from. Unless you know his fathers entire family tree, it's not something that we would know. In the eastern slave trade enslaved Africans were taken from the east coast of Africa (the modern countries of Kenya, Tanzania, Mozambique and the island of Madagascar). http://discoveringbristol.org.uk/sl...nvolved/east-indies/east-african-slave-trade/

Are you saying Obama experienced racism because his children and wife are of slave descendants? That's kind of a dumb theory.
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No. But that is a really dumb response. Do you actually think that Obama would not have experienced racism because when Whites saw him, they could tell he wasn't descended from slaves? Like...they would know that? How ridiculous can you get? Are you suggesting that if he had walked into a store in the deep south, or anywhere else for that matter, he wouldn't have been seen as a black man?

That's racist. I am nearly the same age as Obama.
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You're damn right it's racist. That's the position you've staked out. This is what you posted; "Obama never fought for basic rights either, he was 3 years old when the passed the Civil Rights Act and 4 years old when they passed the Voting Rights Act." I responded with a question. "So only those that marched for civil rights in the 60's are qualified to be involved in Civil Rights?" And what does your age have to do with Obama's? Why is that significant on this?

I had more experience than Obama with racial tensions growing up in a mix race Los Angeles school district where we had race riots regularly.
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According to who? YOU? This somehow qualifies you as having more insight into the black experience than him? He worked in Black neighborhoods on the South Side of Chicago. What makes you think growing up in LA is worse? How exactly can you speak of the black experience when you aren't black? What do you know of it? What do you think you're going to tell him about it?

My parents moved us out of LA because my older sisters had been beaten up several times by black girls for being white. White people can know the wrath of racism too.
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I thought you weren't White? ( "I am half-Mexican so you don't have to apologize for my race.") Is she your half-sister? If not...how did she suddenly become white?

Now you do need to apologize for assuming to know what Obama felt as a black man because you couldn't possibly know
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It's a pretty safe assumption, that I bet he'd agree with. His wife too. Why would you assume that he felt victimized by his race? He became President of the United States and even got re-elected. Clearly his race didn't stand in the way of that despite efforts from people like you.

He is talking about how people like you see him.
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Oh I doubt that. People like me voted for him. Not all Whites are racist bigots. I decided to go for him, because Hillary voted for the war in Iraq, and Obama opposed it from the beginning while he was still a State Senator. He was the only candidate that opposed it and that appealed to me.

Or did you just become black?
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Do I have to be black to vote for him?

Or are you an honorary black because you have empathy for the plight of the black man? That is the kind of condescension on the part of the left that is racist.
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Apparently you think I do have to be black. I call out racism when I see it. Whether it's directed at Blacks, or Hispanics, or anti-Semitism. I've seen it all my life, since I was a kid. I was a white kid with blue eyes and I went to a protestant church. So naturally all my friends never suspected that I was half Jewish. So I heard all the ethnic slurs directed at Jews and of course blacks as well. I got in lots of fights back then. I didn't accept it then, and I don't today. There's a common thread of hate that runs through the bigot, and when they're in a position of power over others, it can, and does effect some peoples participation in the American economy and therefore, the "American Dream". And it's all over an irrational behavior on the part of the racist.

People who have studied Ayers writing style and language believe that he wrote Obama's books.
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Oh please.... You're going to use the Americanthinker as a source for this? I'm very familiar with that website. You don't post something this dumb from a right wing site that is already pre-disposed to floating conspiracy theories, and claim that the source is meaningful. Do you really think I care what they might think about this? Like what they "think", makes what they think true?
P1. Obama wrote several books
P2.. "People who have studied Ayers writing style and language believe that he wrote Obama's books."
therefore: Ayers wrote Obama's books.

That's not sound logic.

P1. Patriot News is married
P2. Some People believe that Patriot News cheats on his wife.
Therefore: Patriot News cheats on his wife.

He couldn't take time to beat out one article?
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An unsigned and previously unattributed 1990 article unearthed by Politico offers a glimpse at Obama's views on abortion policy and the law during his student days, and provides a rare addition to his body of work.

The six-page summary, tucked into the third volume of the year's Harvard Law Review, considers the charged, if peripheral, question of whether fetuses should be able to file lawsuits against their mothers. Obama's answer, like most courts': No. He wrote approvingly of an Illinois Supreme Court ruling that the unborn cannot sue their mothers for negligence, and he suggested that allowing fetuses to sue would violate the mother's rights and could, perversely, cause her to take more risks with her pregnancy.

The subject matter took Obama to the treacherous political landscape of reproductive rights, and - unlike many student authors - he dived eagerly into the policy implications of the court decision. His article acknowledged a public interest in the health of the fetus, but also seemed to demonstrate his continuing commitment to abortion rights, and suggested that the government may have more important concerns than "ensuring that any particular fetus is born."
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12705.html

Obama was still paying his student loans when he was a US Senator.
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And...

Only when he announced for president did his two autobiographies sell enough copies to make him a wealthy man.
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And....

Obama was not full time professor at the law school but a part-time "senior lecturer" who taught 3 classes a semester. You would think that in twelve years a part-time Constitutional professor would have plenty of time to write scholarly articles and essays on the law, but nope, not one from Obama.
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Obama took on five political races during his 12 years at the school. He wrote Dreams From My Father. while he was there. At the school, Mr. Obama taught three courses, ascending to senior lecturer, a title otherwise carried only by a few federal judges. His most traditional course was in the due process and equal protection areas of constitutional law. His voting rights class traced the evolution of election law, from the disenfranchisement of blacks to contemporary debates over districting and campaign finance. Mr. Obama was so interested in the subject that he helped Richard Pildes, a professor at New York University, develop a leading casebook in the field. His most original course, a historical and political seminar as much as a legal one, was on racism and law. Mr. Obama improvised his own textbook, including classic cases like Brown v. Board of Education, and essays by Frederick Douglass, W. E. B. Dubois, the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X, as well as conservative thinkers like Robert H. Bork.

Mr. Obama was especially eager for his students to understand the horrors of the past. He assigned a 1919 catalog of lynching victims, including some who were first raped or stripped of their ears and fingers, others who were pregnant or lynched with their children, and some whose charred bodies were sold off, bone fragment by bone fragment, to gawkers.

Mr. Obama was working two other jobs at the time, in the State Senate and at a civil rights law firm.

After losing his first election to Bobby Rush by a 2-1 margin, the faculty saw an opening and made him its best offer yet: Tenure upon hiring. A handsome salary, more than the $60,000 he was making in the State Senate or the $60,000 he earned teaching part time. A job for Michelle Obama directing the legal clinic. Mr. Obama turned the offer down. Two years later, he decided to run for the Senate. He canceled his course load and has not taught since. But as a professor, students say, Mr. Obama was in the business of complication, showing that even the best-reasoned rules have unintended consequences, that competing legal interests cannot always be resolved, that a rule that promotes justice in one case can be unfair in the next. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/us/politics/30law.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

His grandparents were communists,
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And your's were Nazi's. What is it with you people??His Grandmother started as a teller in a bank, and moved up to a manager's role. Again, you get this crap from American-non-thinker. C'mon man. Get real for once.

his mother a socialist,
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Really? Considering how little time he ever spent with her, why would that be relevant?

his mentor a communist
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The alleged communist mentor is Frank Marshall Davis. So was Frank Marshall Davis a Communist?
That rather depends on who you believe. Davis was certainly accused of being a communist (along quite a long list of other people) by the now infamous House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC) back in 1950 (11 years before Obama was born). The accusation was based on articles he wrote for the Hawaii Record newspaper, accused of being a Communist front organization, something which the newspaper did not admit. Frank Marshall Davis and Barack Obama were friends, but Obama did not always agree with Davis. There is some suggestive evidence that Davis could have joined the Communist Party of the USA during World War II, but not that he had a continuing or active membership. In any case, that doesnt make Barack Obama a Communist nor Frank Marshall David his mentor.

What accomplishments? The man had no experience to be a senator let alone President of the United States.
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Obama was already a State Senator in Illinois before running for the US Senate. Why would that not qualify him to run for the Senate in Washington? Tom Delay was the minority whip in the House and before that he was in the pest control business. How did that qualify him to run for congress? Most of the **********s in congress have no experience whatsoever in legislation or governing and it shows.

I can see how you might come up with this hate speech filled rant about billionaire's and oligarchies because you know nothing about what the Tea Party stands for other than the crap that is spewed from leftist media outlets. Do you even know what oligarchy means?
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Yeah. Do you? Silly question. Of course you don't. FreedomWorks' predecessor was Citizens for a Sound Economy Foundation. Of the three major players who donated large sums to Citizens for a Sound Economy, Koch charities were by far and away the largest donors, with nearly $13 million donated between 1985 and 2005. Other large donors include the Olin Foundation, the Coors Family, and the Scaife foundations.

Citizens for a Sound Economy (CSE) underwent a transformation in 2004 when it merged with Empower America and was reborn as FreedomWorks. CSEF was renamed, becoming Americans for Prosperity. Just like that, one Koch-Scaife-Coors-Olin venture became two. Twice the voice; twice the reach.

Now, let's look specifically at Americans for Prosperity, since FreedomWorks is a Dick Armey production at this time with some assistance from related Republican organizations. There is no question -- none whatsoever -- that Americans for Prosperity was heavily involved in the tea parties this summer and the ongoing tea party meetings, movements, training, and pot-stirring.

Yes, FreedomWorks AND Americans for Prosperity gave their names and their money to events supporting the tea parties. Let's start with Ohio.

There was an event at Ohio State University earlier this year, featuring Ron Paul and Judge Andrew Napolitano, who was taping a segment of his Freedom Watch show for Fox News. The entire event is online on the Freedom Watch archive page.

The event was put on by the Young Americans for Liberty at Ohio State. Their March, 2010 quarterly report is online at the IRS website, and has the following organizational donor detail*:
1.Ohio Freedom Alliance: $1,000
2.WethePeopleUnderGod.com: $1000
3.Americans for Prosperity - Ohio: $1,000
4.Ohio Liberty Council: $3,000
5.University of Cincinnati: $1,000
6.Jacob Group,CPAs, LLC: $1,000

Out of $11,150 received, these six donors represent 72% of the total, and one of those donors is Americans for Prosperity. A visit to the Ron Paul Ohio website lists those donors as co-sponsors. A visit to the Liberty Alliance Ohio site confirms their role as a tea party organizer. (They're also publicizing the 2nd Amendment scary march on Washington, DC, but that's another story for another day).

Young Americans for Liberty is currently taking on "health care nullification", falling into lockstep with this month's tea party theme.

WethePeopleUnderGod.com is the requisite religious right representative. They organize prayer and bus trips. They describe themselves this way:

"We are a concerned group of citizens who feel that we have lost sight of the true meaning of representative government (government by the people,of the people and for the people)."

And on the side they list their contact info:

Freedom Institute

PO Box 386

Dayton,Ohio 45419

And when I tried to dig deeper, I was able to reverse-trace the listed number to Joyce Brownell, who is listed as one of the organizers for...yes, that's right, the Campaign for Liberty tea party protests in Washington DC.

Another cosponsor (though no contributions are listed on the report) is The Leadership Institute masquerading as CampusReform.org. The Leadership Institute is Morton Blackwell's project. On the front page, they advertise the DC Freedom 5K on April 17, 2010.

The DC Freedom 5K, an event hosted by Americans for Prosperity and the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation, is a 3.1 mile race for all ages to celebrate freedom in a fun, nontraditional environment.

I could have stopped at the point where Americans for Prosperity was a donor, but I want this to be clear: Whether it's Ron Paul or Sarah Palin or tea parties or gun protests or health care protests or fun races for the family, the backbone is crafted from the same DNA. That DNA includes funding -- direct or indirect -- from the Koch brothers. They birthed Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks. They didn't have to write the check to the Ohio State Young Americans for Liberty to be intimately involved in funding, sponsoring, indoctrinating and fomenting tea parties. This is not conspiracy theory stuff. This is called "follow the money".
http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/koch-industries-denies-funding-freedomworks

Oh yeah...for your information, an Oligarchy is a small group of people having control of a country, organization, or institution. The Koch Brothers fit that description quite nicely. Their combined wealth is greater than Bill Gates. Of course, Bill built a business. They inherited theirs from Daddy.

Obama's idea's were that of his grandparents, his mother, and Frank Marshall Davis, his real father.
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Barack....I am your father. Sorry, I couldn't help seeing the scene from Star Wars. Do you know who Andy Martin is? I'll bet you do. Then again, maybe you don't and just picked up on his garbage because it fits the narrative you love to push. He's a perennial candidate for political office. He runs for everything. The Nation, The Washington Post, and The New York Times identified him as the primary source of false rumors that then-presidential candidate Barack Obama was secretly a Muslim. In a later interview with CNN, Martin explicitly abandoned this view and now asserts Obama's real father is not Barack Obama, Sr., but African American journalist Frank Marshall Davis.

Over the years, Martin has filed numerous lawsuits, and has been labeled as a vexatious litigant by several jurisdictions. A number of these filings were allegedly anti-Semitic in nature. In a 1983 bankruptcy case, he filed a motion calling the presiding judge "a crooked, slimy Jew who has a history of lying and thieving common to members of his race." In another motion that year, Martin stated, "I am able to understand how the Holocaust took place, and with every passing day feel less and less sorry that it did". He went on to say that "Jew survivors are operating as a wolf pack to steal my property." When later pressed in an interview about his remarks, Martin claimed that the anti-Semitic comments were inserted into his court papers by malicious judges. This is your source.

In an interview featured on the CNN network's American Morning program on October 27, 2008, Andy Martin explicitly abandoned his view that Barack Obama is a Muslim. In the interview, Martin asserts a newer view that Obama is not the son of Barack Obama, Sr., but is rather the son of Frank Marshall Davis, an African American journalist and political activist who wrote for a newspaper in Hawaii in the 1940s and 1950s that was accused by the House Un-American Activities Committee as being a front for the Communist Party USA. Martin claimed that he discovered this after his recent trip to Honolulu, although he offered CNN no substantive proof for the claim.

You believe this stuff, because you WANT to believe it's true. Anything to discredit the black man in your White House. I find it amazing that people like you are so gullible and willing to buy into any conspiracy theory you hear. Alex Jones is your guy.

Did you vote for Alan Keyes? Why not? Are you racist?
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Two reasons. 1. Alan Keyes is a conservative, and 2. He ran against Obama for the US Senate in Illinois. I don't live in Illinois. I don't vote in Illinois. And if I did, and he was running against Obama and both of them are black, how could voting for one and not the other mark me as a racist? Engage your brain please.

If America is a racist society how is it that we have a black president?
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If America wasn't, why did it take 230 years? Blacks have been here for about 400. The CRA and Martin Luther King made Obama possible.

Yes, the Civil Rights Act dramatically changed life for blacks...are you saying it didn't?
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Of course it did. But it didn't eliminate racism. That's pretty obvious, just by reading your posts.

The reason Obama is not a republican is a reflection of his Marxist views not his race. Conservatism is not hostile to minorities and blacks and repeating the same mantra (or lie I should say) over and over doesn't make it more true, but it is a favorite technique of Mr. Goebbels
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Ahh...and that must explain why about 93% African/Americans reject conservatism. They're all Marxists. Conservatism has always been hostile to minorities. Why on earth do you think they lost every minority vote in the last election by overwhelming majorities.

Obama vs Romney

Men 47%...Obama 45% Romney 52%
Women 53%...Obama 55% Romney 44% ( women don't like conservatives either)

Race:
White 72%...Obama 39% Romney 59%
African/American.13%...Obama 93% Romney 6%
Hispanic 10%....Obama 71% Romney 27%
Asian 3%...Obama 73% Romney 26%
Other 2%...Obama 58% Romney 38%

Political Philososphy
Liberal 25%....Obama 86% Romney 11%
Moderate 41%...Obama 56% Romney 41%
Conservative 35%...Obama 17% Romney 83%

Obama actually attracted more conservatives to his cause than Romney did liberals to his. Of course all of those minorities don't see conservatives as hostile to them. No...that couldn't possibly be it. They must all be Marxists. There is a very good reason why you don't get the minority vote. You can hide your head in the sand about this, and tell yourself what makes you feel good about your racist ideology, or you could actually listen to what these people are trying to tell you about your policies.

This has nothing to do with Goebbels or propaganda. This is all about numbers, and they don't lie. Your problem is that you don't believe that your ideology discriminates against minorities. They would tell you differently, and they did in the last election. You ignore them at your own peril. If you keep going farther and farther to the right, you'll never win another national election. The country has changed and it's sending you a message that your racism has been rejected.

Then there is Fast and Furious, Benghazi, IRS, NSA, the Hatch Act and about a dozen other scandals.
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There are no scandals. They've all been debunked as usual.

This guy is a complete incompetent nincompoop and a failure.
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And you couldn't beat a nincompoop and a failure? Where does that put you? Over the past 5 years I've watched this guy stay 10 steps ahead of the Republicans on everything.

Leave it to democrats to elect someone who is sympathetic to muslims who attacked us on 9/11 and hates the Jews. Democrats hate America and sympathize with those that hate America like the al queda terrorists.
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I was wondering how long it would take for you to implode. This is exactly why you continue to lose. It's hyperbole non-stop. Completely over the top BS and nobody can take you seriously. Democrats hate America! And of course Republicans and conservatives are the only true Americans right? You left that part out. Actually we really despise extortionists that are willing to blow the place up if they can't win an election. If you all left tomorrow...nobody would miss you and we could finally get something done. Oh yeah ....he also managed to Kill that al Qaeda terrorist. That guy with the long beard. Terrorist #1. Or was that another conspiracy?:

I voted for a black man for president long before you did. And as I said my best friend in grade school was black.
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President of the student council doesn't cut it. But it's so heartwarming to know that you had a black friend in grade school.

Why is it I am automatically a racist in your eyes because I am white?
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Nope. Being white doesn't make you a racist. It's your attitude toward others that makes you a racist. Racism isn't something you're born with. It's something you're taught or you pick up along the way. A bigot is someone who , as a result of their prejudices, treats other people with fear, distrust, hatred, contempt, or intolerance.

I am half Mexican as a matter of fact and have always had darker skin that some of my siblings
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Your own racial makeup isn't what makes one a bigot or racist. It's attitude. Your own race has nothing to do with it.

One who had experience and was patriotic and loves his country. When does Obama ever talk about the greatness of this country? He is presiding over a country that he loathes.
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That's patently false. But it's also evidence of your own irrational hate for the man. I couldn't stand Dubya as a president. But I never called for his impeachment, or accused him of loathing this country. He got us into two wars, and wrecked our economy. Those are the facts. But I didn't go about making up asinine stories about him. You people accuse the guy born in Hawaii, of being foreign born, and then you jump on the bandwagon of Ted Cruz, the Canadian Senator who actually was foreign born. You're all completely irrational in your hatred and it's all centered around who the guy is.
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Adagio · Oct 31, 2013

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It's hilarious that you are still with this Republicans vs Democrats crap.

Try and understand that it's conservatives that tend to be racist. It doesn't matter if it's southern conservative democrats of the past, or conservative republicans of today, they are conservatives, and will always be conservatives, no matter which party they belong to. And yes, many of them are racist to the core. That hasn't changed, and it never will.
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Try and understand that it's conservatives that tend to be racist.
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I don't think he can get that. He seems to think that the Party drives the ideology rather than the other way around. It's' the ideology of conservatism and it doesn't make any difference if your a Democrat or a Republican. It's still conservatism that's the problem.

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Anyone here ever been on the website "Angrywhitedude.com"?

Well, it's another conservative website, and guess what they do? Yeah, you guessed it, bash blacks and other minorities. They do that, plus talk about race wars, and of course the good old days of segregation and Jim Crow. Funny thing is, the creator of the website claims it's not a racist website, but of course that's a lie. What's also funny is that they hate Republicans nearly as much as democrats. They consider themselves "true conservatives" and not surprisingly, idolize that southern strategy using idiot Ronald Reagan.

Don't believe me? Check out the website for yourself. And there are many more like it.

But yeah, it's the liberals who are the racists, and minorities are so dumb they can't figure it out. Whatever. Go sell that BS somewhere else.
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Ahhh...the Uber Conservatives. I'm more conservative than you are. NO you aren't. Yes I am.

Adagio · Oct 31, 2013

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It's funny that you keep saying that but present no evidence of it.
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You've been presented with far more evidence than would be necessary for a conviction in a court. You've been provided history, including that of your own ideology, logic, examples of irrational conspiracies, dog whistle politics, more history, direct evidence that the southern democrats were indeed conservatives as is the entire south throughout the history of the country. Segregationists creeps that switched from Democrat to Republican when they couldn't block the CRA. The entire shift from Democrat to Republican in the South in which everyone that switched still maintained the same conservative values they had as Dems. So...denial is your thing. We get it.

Adagio · Oct 31, 2013

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Reagan had a democrat majority house his entire presidency, mostly racist southern liberal democrats. republicans didn't start taking some of those house seats until Clinton got into office.
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They weren't liberals pal. They were the Reagan Democrats from the same place he launched his campaign. They don't have liberals in Mississippi and Reagan knew it. That's why he went there. To get the White Racist vote, which he did. They became his base of support. Liberals weren't voting for Reagan. He was Mr. Conservative...or didn't you know that? He was Sean Hannity's wet dream. I can't believe that you keep beating that dead horse.

PatriotNews · Oct 31, 2013

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And yeah...it's astonishingly racist for you to imply that you would be in any position to question that? .
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It's astonishingly racist for you to imply that you would be in any position to question me.

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It's like telling a woman what's right for her health issues or telling her what qualifies as being "legitimately raped". Are you a sexist as well?
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Two can play that game...When did you stop beating your wife?

PatriotNews · Oct 31, 2013

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Oh I see exactly. You rely on the Pee-Wee Herman defense for your foolishness? Bravo. We are so impressed. And NO. You didn't watch the debate, so don't play that game. I've watched it many times, which is why I posted it. You hardly even know anything about Buckley and much less about James Baldwin. That's pretty clear. The topic of the debate was "Does the American Dream come at the expense of the Negro." If you had, you might have actually learned something, and one of the things you'd have learned was that James Baldwin overwhelmingly won that debate.
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I did see who won the debate. The difference is I understood what they were talking about while it went over your head intellectually.

danielpalos · Oct 31, 2013

So, can anyone honestly tell me why racism is even important to the sole surviving species in the Homo genus?

PatriotNews · Oct 31, 2013

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You aren't black.

You haven't answered the question of how he was "higher" on the social scale than you? First,.the number of siblings you have is irrelevant. Second, your comment that you were denied college after you left the "service" is bullsh*t. If by "service" you're talking about military, you had the GI bill. You're inability to take advantage of that is on you. Third, your economic status has NOTHING to do with social status. Your problem is that he applied himself, and you didn't. .
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You aren't black.

And you know that the GI Bill applies to all service members from all the years served or is there possible gaps between wars?

Obama was a lackluster student by his own admission. He got to college on race quotas and affirmative action.

PatriotNews · Oct 31, 2013

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You're damn right it's racist. That's the position you've staked out. This is what you posted; "Obama never fought for basic rights either, he was 3 years old when the passed the Civil Rights Act and 4 years old when they passed the Voting Rights Act." I responded with a question. "So only those that marched for civil rights in the 60's are qualified to be involved in Civil Rights?" And what does your age have to do with Obama's? Why is that significant on this?.
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What can a 4 year old do to advance civil rights? You can play the race card but it is funny coming from a white guy playing the race card on me.

danielpalos · Oct 31, 2013

I believe we should engender a moral of making money work harder than Persons under Any form of Capitalism.

PatriotNews · Oct 31, 2013

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According to who? YOU? This somehow qualifies you as having more insight into the black experience than him? He worked in Black neighborhoods on the South Side of Chicago. What makes you think growing up in LA is worse? How exactly can you speak of the black experience when you aren't black? What do you know of it? What do you think you're going to tell him about it?

I thought you weren't White? ( "I am half-Mexican so you don't have to apologize for my race.") Is she your half-sister? If not...how did she suddenly become white?
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My dad was white, that's how fool. Are you really that stupid you don't know that some kids come out like mom and some come out like dad. Obama did sit ins at the Wells Fargo Bank branch in the South Side of Chicago. That doesn't make him Leroy Brown.

PatriotNews · Oct 31, 2013

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It's a pretty safe assumption, that I bet he'd agree with. His wife too. Why would you assume that he felt victimized by his race? He became President of the United States and even got re-elected. Clearly his race didn't stand in the way of that despite efforts from people like you.

Oh I doubt that. People like me voted for him. Not all Whites are racist bigots. I decided to go for him, because Hillary voted for the war in Iraq, and Obama opposed it from the beginning while he was still a State Senator. He was the only candidate that opposed it and that appealed to me.

Do I have to be black to vote for him?
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You are the one playing the race card making Obama a race victim. I'm having trouble following the conversation because your posts are extremely long, and you do not know how to use post quotes properly. Learn to be more concise and post properly.

You don't have to be black to vote for Obama, just stupid.

PatriotNews · Oct 31, 2013

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P1. Obama wrote several books
P2.. "People who have studied Ayers writing style and language believe that he wrote Obama's books."
therefore: Ayers wrote Obama's books.
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Don't start with the flawed logic arguments again.

PatriotNews · Oct 31, 2013

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An unsigned and previously unattributed 1990 article unearthed by Politico offers a glimpse at Obama's views on abortion policy and the law during his student days, and provides a rare addition to his body of work.

The six-page summary, tucked into the third volume of the year's Harvard Law Review, considers the charged, if peripheral, question of whether fetuses should be able to file lawsuits against their mothers. Obama's answer, like most courts': No. He wrote approvingly of an Illinois Supreme Court ruling that the unborn cannot sue their mothers for negligence, and he suggested that allowing fetuses to sue would violate the mother's rights and could, perversely, cause her to take more risks with her pregnancy.

The subject matter took Obama to the treacherous political landscape of reproductive rights, and - unlike many student authors - he dived eagerly into the policy implications of the court decision. His article acknowledged a public interest in the health of the fetus, but also seemed to demonstrate his continuing commitment to abortion rights, and suggested that the government may have more important concerns than "ensuring that any particular fetus is born."
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Gee we can't find any work that Obama put his name on so this work that is unattributed must be his...how's that for flawed logic. The rest of your unnecessarily long post only confirms the guy is a nobody who accomplished nothing before running for president.

PatriotNews · Oct 31, 2013

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And your's were Nazi's. What is it with you people??His Grandmother started as a teller in a bank, and moved up to a manager's role. Again, you get this crap from American-non-thinker. C'mon man. Get real for once.
Most of the **********s in congress have no experience whatsoever in legislation or governing and it shows.
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The fact that you spend so much time defending communists and attacking Tea Party Patriots betrays you loyalties to America's enemies.

PatriotNews · Oct 31, 2013

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Yeah. Do you? Silly question. Of course you don't. FreedomWorks' predecessor was Citizens for a Sound Economy Foundation.
Oh yeah...for your information, an Oligarchy is a small group of people having control of a country, organization, or institution. The Koch Brothers fit that description quite nicely. Their combined wealth is greater than Bill Gates. Of course, Bill built a business. They inherited theirs from Daddy.
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Yeah, Koch Brothers run an organization funded on $11,000? Talk about conspiracy theories. The Koch brothers are the new boogie man. And that means they run the world through oligarchy. That is really stupid.

You can cut down you posts because I really am not going to take the time to read you 5 pages of cut and paste editorializing and plagiarizing.

PatriotNews · Oct 31, 2013

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Two reasons. 1. Alan Keyes is a conservative, and 2. He ran against Obama for the US Senate in Illinois. I don't live in Illinois. I don't vote in Illinois. And if I did, and he was running against Obama and both of them are black, how could voting for one and not the other mark me as a racist? Engage your brain please.

If America wasn't, why did it take 230 years? Blacks have been here for about 400. The CRA and Martin Luther King made Obama possible.

Of course it did. But it didn't eliminate racism. That's pretty obvious, just by reading your posts.
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Hey, I figure if you can use the race card so can I. And there it is again, I read your posts and can see that racism didn't get eliminated. See, call me racist, and you get the same back. You are just flamebating.

PatriotNews · Oct 31, 2013

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Ahh...and that must explain why about 93% African/Americans reject conservatism. They're all Marxists. Conservatism has always been hostile to minorities. Why on earth do you think they lost every minority vote in the last election by overwhelming majorities.

Obama vs Romney
This has nothing to do with Goebbels or propaganda. This is all about numbers, and they don't lie. Your problem is that you don't believe that your ideology discriminates against minorities. They would tell you differently, and they did in the last election. You ignore them at your own peril. If you keep going farther and farther to the right, you'll never win another national election. The country has changed and it's sending you a message that your racism has been rejected..
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Goebbels repeats lies like leftist and media who blame republicans for democrat racist past, and tell people that republicans are all rich. People actually believe stupid crap. The public is mostly stupid people who shouldn't be voting. I am no way gonna be drawn into responding to your cut and paste meta-posts. Please stay on subject.

PatriotNews · Oct 31, 2013

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I was wondering how long it would take for you to implode.
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All the scandals and the failure of Obamacare will be his legacy, if he is not impeached for them. You are extremely judgmental and play the race card like a trump card. Democrats show a deep contempt for America and freedom and patriots. Their leftist loyalties are with Marx, not Jefferson.

PatriotNews · Oct 31, 2013

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You've been presented with far more evidence than would be necessary for a conviction in a court. You've been provided history, including that of your own ideology, logic, examples of irrational conspiracies, dog whistle politics, more history, direct evidence that the southern democrats were indeed conservatives as is the entire south throughout the history of the country. Segregationists creeps that switched from Democrat to Republican when they couldn't block the CRA. The entire shift from Democrat to Republican in the South in which everyone that switched still maintained the same conservative values they had as Dems. So...denial is your thing. We get it.
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And yet another post with no proof of your thesis.

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They weren't liberals pal. They were the Reagan Democrats from the same place he launched his campaign. They don't have liberals in Mississippi and Reagan knew it. That's why he went there. To get the White Racist vote, which he did. They became his base of support. Liberals weren't voting for Reagan. He was Mr. Conservative...or didn't you know that? He was Sean Hannity's wet dream. I can't believe that you keep beating that dead horse.
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And yet another post with no proof to your thesis.

Adagio · Oct 31, 2013

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It's astonishingly racist for you to imply that you would be in any position to question me.

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It's astonishingly racist for you to imply that you would be in any position to question me.
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You're like a man clinging to the edge looking desperately for anything that will save his ass. You aren't black. In fact, you're not quite certain what you are. First your white, then you're White/Brown, but your sister is white?? However, what is certain without any doubt is that you are not black, and therefore cannot know what the black experience means in racist America. You are not qualified to pass judgment on something you have no familiarity with.Your analogies don't even fit. You use an example of a loaded question ("When did you stop beating your wife?") to suggest a connection to the idea that a person would know what's best for another person that he has no possible similarity to. ie: A man knowing what best for a woman, or a white man knowing what it means to be black.

You're an illogical mess Mr. News. Whoever taught you these ridiculous defense tactics? What's amazing to me is that you actually thought they'd work. Just look at the people you admire and feel they are significant enough to your thinking that you would actually quote them as part of how you think. "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity". -- Ann Coulter
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Glock · Oct 31, 2013

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You're like a man clinging to the edge looking desperately for anything that will save his ass. You aren't black. In fact, you're not quite certain what you are. First your white, then you're White/Brown, but your sister is white?? However, what is certain without any doubt is that you are not black, and therefore cannot know what the black experience means in racist America. You are not qualified to pass judgment on something you have no familiarity with.Your analogies don't even fit. You use an example of a loaded question ("When did you stop beating your wife?") to suggest a connection to the idea that a person would know what's best for another person that he has no possible similarity to. ie: A man knowing what best for a woman, or a white man knowing what it means to be black.

You're an illogical mess Mr. News. Whoever taught you these ridiculous defense tactics? What's amazing to me is that you actually thought they'd work. Just look at the people you admire and feel they are significant enough to your thinking that you would actually quote them as part of how you think. "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity". -- Ann Coulter
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Adagio again.
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10char.

Adagio · Oct 31, 2013

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I did see who won the debate. The difference is I understood what they were talking about while it went over your head intellectually.
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Right, as I'm sure it went over the heads of the members of the Cambridge Union. Baldwin 544. Buckley 164The motion is carried by 380 votes. Your guy and your ideology lost the debate by 380 votes. In your warped reality...losing is winning.

After Hours · Oct 31, 2013

One thing I've noticed is that conservatives rarely speak about how much Asians supported Obama. Asians are the only minority group that I can think of that do not get bashed too much by conservatives. Yet, the majority of Asians still supported Obama.

I guess that means Asians are now living on the "Democrat plantation" too, right conservatives?

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