Noah's Flood part II

So if it rains for 40 days is there enough to drown the earth?
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Scientist remember scientist not Christians believe that the earth was once water planet
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Movement of water is cyclic, for goodness sake. In simple terms you can understand. Water is drawn from the sea by warm air and forms clouds of water vapour. This is borne on air currents (winds) until they reach a cooler atmosphere. The vapour then turns back to water and precipitates (it rains). Flooding occurs when the ground is soaked and the rivers over flow before water can make its way back to the sea. Which it eventually does.
There is only so much water on earth. When water 'evaporates' from the sea, the level of the sea decreases, though imperceptibly, and the level rises on the land. This can only be limited because water finds its own level - and that is sea level. Unless it's a lake. If the lake is above sea level and the banks are breached the water will make its way back to sea level.

Crikey. Am I back at school?

There is no way a 'mountain engulfing' flood can occur.

 

Hey let the guy be half right! There is no proof, and no flood.

 

Uh, it's pretty obvious that Pslams 104: 6-9 is talking about The Flood. Yes, never again will all the Earth be covered with water, because it once was when he Flooded the Earth. The "never again" is even pulled straight from Genesis 8 when God promises that he will never again Flood the Earth like he had.

 

That's actually the very definition of global.

... None of those verses have the words "all the Earth". By my logic, you can't read.

 

You're feeding a troll. With a juvenile capacity for debate.

 

And what do scientists mean by water planet? Do they mean that water covered every single piece of land, even the mountains?

 

Psalm 104:6-9 Is about the creation. The 'never again' cannot be pulled from Genesis 8. Genesis 8 wasn't written when David was alive, and wouldn't be for several centuries.

 

LOLOL.. Read it in context.. The mountains of the earth. Of course Everest if 5 miles high.. Ararat is 17,000 feet.. but there are no mountains in Sumer.. The Tigris and Euphrates basin is very flat.

 

...You're claiming that the Pentateuch was written after Psalms?

 

In another post you can see I roughly calculated approximately the amount of water needed to flood the globe enough to cover Ararat. If the temperature was low enough, and we had enough water, then obviously that water could have flooded the globe over 40 days. However, that much water simply does not exist on earth. That's the point.

In a way, yes. I believe it is a story that at best it may be based on, or at worst may at least be partially inspired by, an actual flood event of some form. These kind of stories can easily become heavily exaggerated later on.

No, you don't get away that easily. You're the one using other flood tales as supporting evidence, you don't get to then just ignore the fact that, when you actually look at them, they don't support the Noah story.

I doubt it, but if it did, then it would fall, and go back where it came from, and NOT flood the globe any higher than it was to start with. It's like if you scoop some water out of the sink and pour it back onto the draining board - the water goes right back where it came.

Floods are caused when enough rain falls in a certain area so that normal means of dispersing it are overwhelmed, and in that area water swells up until it finds a way back to the seas, lakes, or other bodies of water.

Now, would you kindly explain to me where the contradiction is, because you are still failing to show it.

 

Yes.

Oh. I know that the events of the Pentateuch are supposedly 2000-1500BCE and David is 1000BCE. But are the events actual or a story made up in the 1st millenia to give the Hebrews a history and a God. 4 points come out if you study the OT.

1. Creation and the Flood are pre-existing stories known for millenia so then the story on Noah has no basis.
2. Very little of the rules of health, rules for co-habitation (who to marry, bed etc) and Hebrew ritual was new. Mostly taken from civilisations round about.
3. There is no actual evidence for Abraham, the Exodus and the violent entry into Palestine.
4. The only evidence we have is for the history of the Kings of Israel and Judah. Why do we have that. Because they were after the time of David when a few written records were beginning to come into existence. We know this by a few fragments that have been found, and by various Babylonian, Assyrian and Egyptian which record these Hebrew kings they have had dealings with, or fought with.

Some Jews now doubt the authenticity of the OT and many events.

There is no way about 2,000,000 Jews exited Egypt. No way they could have survived in the desert. No way they could have traversed the Red/Reed sea in a night. According to the Bible 660,000 men alone exited. As the Bible usually c ounts men as those able to carry arms This would be an enormous army for those days. They could have annihilated any army thrown against them, yet they had trouble according to the Bible.

There are many things that have to be questioned.

 

And how does any of that prove that Psalms were written centuries before Genesis?

 

Sounds like the Christian approach to the Bible is much like the creationist approach to evolution - extremely pointillistic and not holistic at all. There is never, ever, any consideration along the lines of "IF this is true, what does that imply? What ELSE should then also be true?"

Ultimately, we take enough steps back to get a big enough picture to ask "IF there are any gods, how would reality look to us compared to if there are none?" And what strikes us immediately is that the distinction would be overwhelming, mind-boggling, as unambiguous as a wrecking ball. Conversely, if the gods are doing everything in their power to present us with a reality indistinguishable in any way from there being no gods, then they are objectively fully successful. I suppose we could posit gods whose powers do not extend beyond the internal operations of the human brain, of course.

 

It's always sounded to me like the books of the OT bible were works-in-progress for over 1000 years before they solidified. And even after that, which books were included and which were omitted (and some of the content) continue to be fitted to the church doctrines, policies and politics of the day. It's not like some author sat down and wrote all the psalms in an afternoon. Stylistic analysis suggests a great many authors.

 

Most of the Psalms are found in the much earlier writings from the Ugarit.. which was an early north coast Canaanite civilization.

 

Yes.. the Pentateuch was written during and after the Babylonian exile... and the various versions were cobbled together under King Omri. Psalms was taken from Ugarit.

 

And if it rains for 40 days and 40 nights what do you get? Flood waters that can rise to 20,000+ feet.
1 acre = 27,154 gallons
1 sq mile = 17.38 million gallons
http://sciencebasedlife.wordpress.co...g-a-rainstorm/
http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/earthrain.html

You can keep on denying that such massive floods is not possible fortunately science, historical and current events does not agree with you.

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yup and they predict that it will happen again that is why new and better sea walls, dikes, dams, levy and all sorts of engineering are being improve and constructed to prevent and or to prepare for that day the earth goes under water.

 

It never happened the first time .. and your math skills are not up to the calculations you offer.

 

Nature has always been underestimated to say there simply is not enough water exist to drown the earth. Your point is underestimating nature even though you do accept the formula does exist.

Then at least you do believe in the Noah flood the only issue you have is whether it is global or localised. The Bible just like science is a mystery no one really knows.

ok I am sure we can spare some bandwidth in this thread. China's creation story consist of many deities god of fire, water, earth, etc. Just to relate a few;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gong_Gong
The great floods are said to be the responsibility of Gonggong and his associate Xiang Yao (alternately, Xiangliu Chinese: 相&#32327, who has nine heads and the body of a snake.
In Chinese mythology, Gong Gong was ashamed that he lost the fight with Zhu Rong, the Chinese god of fire, to claim the throne of Heaven. In a fit of rage he smashed his head against Buzhou Mountain (不周&#23665, a pillar holding up the sky, greatly damaging it and causing the sky to tilt towards the northwest and the earth to shift to the southeast, which caused great floods and suffering.
The goddess Nüwa (女&#23207 cut off the legs of the giant turtle Ao and used them in place of the fallen pillar, ending the floods and suffering; she was, however, unable to fully correct the tilted sky and earth and alter their effects on the sun, moon, stars, and rivers in China.
http://www.mysteriouschina.com/chinese-myth-legend-2-yu-controlled-the-flood/
The ruling king in this story is the Yellow Emperor, a good leader who struggled with the mighty rivers that flooded the country each year. According to ancient myths, the Yellow Emperor had a pile of magic dirt that could absorb water. His grandson Kun stole the magic earth and dropped little balls of dirt wherever he went. The dirtballs swelled into huge, fertile mounds of soil as they absorbed water. The peasants then scooped up the fertile soil and spread it over their sopping fields. Kun also built dams to control the flooding of the country’s unpredictable rivers. Unfortunately, the dams often burst and flooded the land again. When the emperor found out about the theft, he was furious and sent Zurong the fire god, now the chief executioner, to track down and kill his grandson Kun. Zurong chased Kun to the ice glaciers of the arctic and struck him dead with a flaming sword. Kun’s body lay trapped and frozen in the ice.

The ability of those gods in conrolling floods prevented China or the world on from going down. Ancient China believe that the world revolves around China that is why it is called "中国; Zhōngguó" meaning Middle country or middle earth.

If the sink drain is plugged you will have flooding.

If the sea. lake or rivers have no room to handle the rain fall because of blocked drainage, land slides, deforestation etc. you will have massive flooding.

You just pointed out that such flooding is possible subject to the right condition and what is the right condition poor drainage rain water has no place to go will result in flooding do you agree or is this going to contradict your position?

 

If I am underestimating it, and there really is four times as much water as scientists think, then where is this unimaginably vast amount of extra water right now?

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Are you saying China's different gods protected them from Noah's god's flood?

Uh.... no. No, you really really won't. Try it right now: fill up your sink, block your plughole, and turn off the tap. Scoop up water and pour it back in. The water level in your sink won't somehow magically increase. That's unbelievably stupid.

What, pray tell, would be the equivalent to a blocked drain that would cause flood waters that COVER THE ENTIRE WORLD not to be able to find their way back to the ocean? In fact, if it covers the world, then its already IN the ocean. By definition, there can be no equivalent. It's lunacy.

The 'right condition' is: that we live in an alternate reality where there is four times as much water as there actually exists. Since we don't seem to live in that alternate reality, there is still no contradiction.

 

Sorry, no, but non of your videos support this. If they do, go ahead and post which video supports what you just said. And tell us at what point in the video it supports what you said.

 

You mean you don't know where they are you just said there is about 1.4 billion cubic not to mention the a amount of ice in North and South Pole.

China flood story is of their own it prove that worldwide flood did occurred thousands of years ago and the Noah's flood is the legitimate story.

Before you fill up your sink notice that the sink is dry and is about 1 foot deep, plug the drain turn the water on if you don't turn the water off the water in the sink will start to over flow after it covers the entire once dry empty sink and what ever that is in the sink before you turn the water on will be submerged. You can try scoop up the water and pour it back the water will not go anywhere and what ever is submerged will remain submerged until you can open the drain or redirect the water by creating a canal. There is no magic is it simple science and engineering that is why ancient people learn to build dikes, canals, dams and sea walls.

How will rain water find its way back to the ocean and rivers if there is not passage or if the passage were blocked by landslides etc. those water will over flow and cover mountains as I have pointed out above.

Human engineering and intelligence has prevented the drowning of the earth again.

 

What I just said, and what I have always said, is that this 1.4 billion cubic km is NOWHERE NEAR ENOUGH. Can you not read?

How could it possibly do that if it is not consistent with that story?

Yes, if you add more water, it will overflow. This is analogous to adding more water to the planet from somewhere outside of the planet. Now, where do you think the extra billion upon billion of cubic km of water came from, and then went back to after the flood?

If water covers the entire surface of the earth, there is no need for 'passage'. It is already one gigantic ocean. You clearly do not understand a single thing about this, and demonstrate it amply every single time you post.

If enough water came to flood to the top of Everest, or even Ararat, human engineering would mean exactly zip.