Some say Freedman was originally Jewish (or Mamzer) - others say he was not. who knows. However : "the Lusitania was sunk in 7th 1915 , (the claim most use for the reason of war as answer on the History channel web site) yet no war entry yet, by the USA. The United States did not enter the war until two years after the Lusitannia was sunk, and when it did. the Lusitania had no place in the statement of casus belli. ==== Perhaps unlike you , I put nothing past what dastardly deeds those Zionists demons are not capable of doing. ....
so, you have no evidenc that the Zionists had anything to do with the USA joining WW1? just anti-Semitic lies? figures. - - - Updated - - - you have no evidence, none whatsoever, that the USA joined WW1 due to the Jews. all you DO have, is anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and Nazi lies.
Frankly Ronstar , I really don't care what you think of me . I do know I've been fed a lot of hogwash in the past - I'm now after alternative - hopefully find some facts instead of Zionists lies. Meanwhile , carry on believing ass you do, but don't expect everyone else to join you. tata. Meanwhile for anyone else who might be interested This is why I'm an Anti-Zionist . read abt the wisdom of a former Zionist - a Jew of Conscience .:_ ": Zionist Pioneer Renounces Zionism by HELENA COBBAN I’ve never met Dov Yermiya, a Jewish Israeli peace activist who is now 94 years old. But I read of course the book he published in 1983 in which he wrote with anguish about the torture and other gross mistreatment of civilians he witnessed directly during Israel’s invasion of Lebanon the year before. I have it in my hand now. I just learned, from an open letter published by Uri Avnery, that Yermiya, recently renounced the ideology and practice of Zionism with these stirring words: “I, a 95 year old Sabra (native born Israeli Jew), who has plowed its fields, planted trees, built a house and fathered sons, grandsons and great-grandsons, and also shed his blood in the battle for the founding of the State of Israel, “Declare herewith that I renounce my belief in the Zionism which has failed, that I shall not be loyal to the Jewish fascist state and its mad visions, that I shall not sing anymore its nationalist anthem, that I shall stand at attention only on the days of mourning for those fallen on both sides in the wars, and that I look with a broken heart at an Israel that is committing suicide and at the three generations of offspring that I have bred and raised in it. “… for 42 years, Israel turned what should have been Palestine into a giant detention camp, and is holding a whole people captive under an oppressive and cruel regime, with the sole aim of taking away their country, come what may!!! “”The IDF eagerly suppresses their efforts at rebellion, with the active assistance of the settlement thugs, by the brutal means of a sophisticated Apartheid and a choking blockade, inhuman harassment of the sick and of women in labor, the destruction of their economy and the theft of their best land and water. “Over all this there is waving the black flag of the frightening contempt for the life and blood of the Palestinians. Israel will never be forgiven for the terrible toll of blood spilt, and especially the blood of children, in hair-raising quantities… “ Avnery’s response is fascinating. He too is a veteran peace activist, and of about the same generation as Yermiya. But in the letter he is, I think, pleading with Yermiya not to renounce Zionism completely, but rather to reconnect with the "idealistic" Zionism that they both experienced during their youth. He writes, “When I think of our youth, yours and mine, one scene is never far from my mind: the 1947 Dalia festival. “Tens of thousands of young men and women were sitting on the slope of a hill in the natural amphitheater near Kibbutz Dalia on Mount Carmel. Ostensibly it was a festival of folk dancing, but in reality it was much more – a great celebration of the new Hebrew culture which we were then creating in the country, in which folk dancing played an important role. The dancing groups came mainly from the kibbutzim and the youth movements, and the dances were original Hebrew creations, interwoven with Russian, Polish, Yemenite and Hassidic ones. A group of Arabs danced the Debka in ecstasy, dancing and dancing and dancing on. “In the middle of the event, the loudspeakers announced that members of the UN Commission of Inquiry, which had been sent by the international organization to decide upon the future of the country, were joining us. When we saw them entering the amphitheater, the tens of thousands spontaneously rose to their feet and started to sing the "Hatikva", the national anthem, with a holy fervor that reverberated from the surrounding mountains. “We did not know then that within half a year the great Hebrew-Arab war would break out – our War of Independence and their Naqba. I believe that most of the 6000 young people who fell in the war on our side, as well as the thousands that were wounded – like you and me – were present at that moment in Dalia, seeing each other and singing together. “What state did we think of then? What state did we set out to create? “What has happened to the Hebrew society, the Hebrew culture, the Hebrew morality that we were so proud of then?” Then, he pleads this: “You, Dov, have invested in this state much too much to turn your back on it in a gesture of anger and despair. The most hackneyed and worn-out slogan in Israel is also true: ‘We don’t have another state!’ “Other states in the world have sunk to the depths of depravity and committed unspeakable crimes, far beyond our worst sins, and still brought themselves back to the family of nations and redeemed their souls. “We and all the members of our generation, who were among those who created this state, bear a heavy responsibility for it. A responsibility to our offspring, to those oppressed by this state, to the entire world. From this responsibility we cannot escape. “Even at your respectable age, and precisely because of it and because of what you represent, you must be a compass for the young and tell them: This state belongs to you, you can change it, don’t allow the nationalist wreckers to steal it from you! “True, 61 years ago we had another state in mind. Now, after our state has tumbled to where it is today, we must remember that other state, and remind everybody, every day, what the state should have been like, what it can be like, and not allow our vision to disappear like a dream. Let’s lend our shoulders to every effort to repair and heal! These are very weighty issues that these two longtime Zionists are debating.” I remember the evening I had back in early March with longtime Jewish-Israeli nonviolence activist Amos Gvirtz. Gvirtz is "only" in his late 60s or early 70s. But like Avnery and Yermiya he grew up in Israel. He told me in March, “I became an anti-Zionist after Oslo, when the government expelled the Arabs of Jahhaleenn to make room for the big new settlement area if Maale Adummim… Like the Zionists, I believe we Jews need a state of our own. But unlike the Zionists I don’t think this should be built on the ruins of someone else’s home. So our state need not necessarily be right here.” Gvirtz, too, like Avnery, identified a strong link between the events of 1947-48 and the situation today– though the nature of the link Gvirtz identified was very different from Avnery’s: "The Nakba wasn’t really a single event that happened in 1948, so much as a long-drawn-out process, that continues to this day." In other words, he was quite unwilling to neatly divide Israeli history, as Avnery still does, between the idealized, prelapsarian days of the 1947 Dalia festival and the post-lapsarian era that was inaugurated– in Avnery’s view– only by Israel’s conquest of the West Bank. Obviously, this is a very weighty issue for Zionists and their supporters to grapple with. Did 1967 mark a notable break between a laudable past and a troublesome present? Or were there indeed, as Gvirtz and many other current non- and anti-Zionists have argued, many elements of continuity from the 1947 period right through to the present? Anyway, I’d love to see the whole text of the latest Yermiya letter from which Avnery is quoting, if anyone can provide a link to it, preferably in English. The only recent English text that I could find by him online was this letter, published in the Communist weekly Zo Haderekh in June 2008. In it, Yermiya was returning to Defense Minister Barak the invitation he had been sent to attend a ceremony to honor all veterans of Israel’s 1948 "War of Independence". He wrote, “As a veteran of the 1948 war, who was already wounded in face to face combat two weeks before the Declaration of the State, I feel obliged herewith to return the invitation to you, as Minister of Defence. I do so regretfully but see this as my duty. “I consider you, Ehud Barak, as one of the top military commanders and prominent political leaders who were responsible for converting the army from ‘the Israeli Defence Force’ to an army of occupation and oppression of the Palestinian people and defender of the criminal settlements in their country. “40 years of occupation have utterly corrupted the Israeli army and all strata of Israeli society.They are both characterized by the nationalist ‘east wind’ [the east wind brings the chamsin and locusts ]which blows and kindles conflagrations of endless wars, which threaten our people and land with the third and final destruction. Your share in the responsibility for all this is enormous, and therefore I return your invitation to you, without thanks…” HELENA COBBAN is a veteran writer, researcher, and program organizer on global affairs. Since 2003 she has published "Just World News", a lively blog on international issues that has gained a broad international readership. She can be reached at hcobban@gmail.com ===
its funny how anti-Zionists whine and complain about being labeled "anti-Semites", while they quote Benjamin Freedman and spew conspiracy theories about the Jews pushing the USA into WW1, betraying Germany during WW1, assassinating Lincoln, and a host of other paranoid anti-Jewish theories. here's a bit of advice: if you're gonna whine & (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about being labeled an anti-Semite, don't make anti-Semitic comments.
Little bits of info I did not know : [/B] into enemy territory. In the chapter "Sink the Lusitania!" in his book 'The Creature From Jekyll Island', G. Edward Griffin wrote: "The British knew that to draw the United States into the war would mean the difference between defeat and victory, and anything that could accomplish that was proper - even the coldly calculated sacrifice of one of her great ships with Englishmen aboard. But the trick was to have Americans on board also in order to create the proper emotional climate in the United States. As the Lusitania moved into hostile waters, where a German U-boat was known to be operating, First Lord of Admiralty, Winston Churchill, ordered her destroyer protection to abandon her. This, plus the fact that she had been ordered to travel at reduced speed, made her an easy target. After the impact of one well placed torpedo, a mighty second explosion from within ripped her apart, and the ship that many believed could not be sunk, gurgled to the bottom in less than eighteen minutes" English: NOTICE! TRAVELLERS intending to embark on the Atlantic voyage are reminded that a state of war exists between Germany and her allies and Great Britain and her allies; that the zone of war includes the waters adjacent to the British Isles; that in accordance with formal notice given by the Imperial German Government, vessels flying the flag of Great Britain, or of any of her allies, are liable to destruction in those waters and that travellers sailing in the war zone on ships of Great Britain or her allies do so at their own risk IMPERIAL GERMAN EMBASSY Washington, D. C. April 22, 1915 "but this warning was ignored and its now known w/o a doubt that the Lusitania was transporting arms:" ===== Many important bits are often kept hidden from public. As Walter Lipppman said - "The News and the truth are not the same thing" ....
While I'm always ready to WINE + DINE " - I've never whined. Your childish Name calling doesn't bother me at all . That trick is figgin boring its outdated : watch the video - listen and learn : "It's a Trick, We Always Use It." (calling people "anti-Semitic") http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUGVPBO9_cA It's the the standard tactic of calling someone "anti-Semitic," and its used to sabotage anyone who speaks out against the US government policy of supporting immoral and illegal Israeli policies which violate basic human rights. And as you can see, this person suggests using a new word for the same old trick. (same goes for anyone refusing swallowing Zionist BS) Amy Goodman interviews a former Israeli minister and she helps expose this trick used against dissidents, the defamation tactic of calling people "anti-Semitic." === tata....
as I said earlier, I had a Neo-Nazi once tell me that "you (*)(*)(*)(*)ing filthy Jew ***** always make false accusations of anti-Semitism"
The only other person I know of who uses the term 'Mamzer' is the clinically insane Pastor Martin Lindstadt.
Fact: many extreme Zionists accuse ANYONE who criticizes Israel, of being an anti-Semite. Fact: many anti-Zionists are infact also Jew-haters. how do we tell the difference between an anti-Zionist with honest intentions, and an anti-Semite masked as an anti-Zionist? when the anti-Zionist talks about the Talmud, the Fed, Jewish conspiracies to get the USA into WW1, the Jews back-stabbing Germany during WW1, the Jews killing Lincoln, the Khazars, the Jews not being real Jews, we know we have an anti-Semite feigning being an honest anti-Zionist.
Its a pity that you're now apparently for no rational reasons - stupidly equating/ choosing to identify me with whoever you say you once met/or had exchanges him..
you quote Benjamin Freedman, a notorious anti-Semite and self-hating Jew. you spew anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. you routinely attack the Talmud with false and out-of-contect accusations. if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and acts like a duck......its a duck.
As a matter of fact - I first heard the term some years ago , used by the mother of a Jewish lad , I met ,in my teens during inter-school Rugby matches . It crops up from time to time. (wink)
Never mind the ducks - how about posting something informative/ or even half -intelligent ? . Zzzzzz.... btw - I;ve also quoted Einstein . or would you like me to repeat it ? ...
Einstein wasn't an anti-Semite or rabid anti-Zionist. he didn't spew anti-Jewish conspiracy theories.
you don't read before you talk, do ya? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein's_political_views#Zionism Einstein was a prominent supporter of both Labor Zionism and efforts to encourage Jewish-Arab cooperation.[14] He supported the creation of a Jewish national homeland in the British mandate of Palestine but was initially opposed to the idea of a Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power In a 1947 letter to Indian Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru intended to persuade India to support the establishment of a Jewish state, Einstein stated that the Balfour Declaration's proposal to establish a national home for Jews in Palestine "redresses the balance" of justice and history Einstein served on the Board of Governors of The Hebrew University of Jerusalem. In his Will of 1950, Einstein bequeathed literary rights to his writings to The Hebrew University, where many of his original documents are held in the Albert Einstein Archives
IMO - Zionism like a few other "isms" i.e. Bolshevism/Fascism/Marx-Leninism" - Nazism "/National Socialism etc. might perhaps have at one time sounded acceptable "in theory" BUT later turned out to be bloody awful/ VILE - in practice.
That's just more Hasbarist /ZioNazi edited wiki crap. READ AND LEARN ; Einstein Letter Warning Of Zionist Facism In Israel Letter That Albert Einstein Sent to the New York Times 1948, Protesting the Visit of Menachem Begin I REPEAT - "Letters to the Editor New York Times December 4, 1948 TO THE EDITORS OF THE NEW YORK TIMES: Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine. The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States. Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to welcome his visit. It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughoutthe world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin's political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents. Before irreparable damage is done by way of financial contributions, public manifestations in Begin's behalf, and the creation in Palestine of the impression that a large segment of America supports Fascist elements in Israel, the American public must be informed as to the record and objectives of Mr. Begin and his movement. The public avowals of Begin's party are no guide whatever to its actual character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future. Attack on Arab Village A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had taken no part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 (THE NEW YORK TIMES), terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants ? 240men, women, and children - and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of Jerusalem. Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and the Jewish Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it widely, and invited all the foreign correspondents present in the country to view the heaped corpses and the general havoc at Deir Yassin. The Deir Yassin incident exemplifies the character and actions of the Freedom Party. Within the Jewish community they have preached an admixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority. Like other Fascist parties they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian Fascist model. During the last years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZL and Stern groups inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide-spread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute. The people of the Freedom Party have had no part in the constructive achievements in Palestine. They have reclaimed no land, built no settlements, and only detracted from the Jewish defense activity. Their much-publicized immigration endeavors were minute, and devoted mainly to bringing in Fascist compatriots. Discrepancies Seen The discrepancies between the bold claims now being made by Begin and his party, and their record of past performance in Palestine bear the imprint of no ordinary political party. This is the unmistakable stamp of a Fascist party for whom terrorism (against Jews, Arabs, and British alike), and misrepresentation are means, and a "Leader State" is the goal. In the light of the foregoing considerations, it is imperative that the truth about Mr. Begin and his movement be made known in this country. It is all the more tragic that the top leadership of American Zionism has refused to campaign against Begin's efforts, or even to expose to its own constituents the dangers to Israel from support to Begin. The undersigned therefore take this means of publicly presenting a few salient facts concerning Begin and his party; and of urging all concerned not to support this latest manifestation of fascism. ISIDORE ABRAMOWITZ HANNAH ARENDT ABRAHAM BRICK RABBI JESSURUN CARDOZO ALBERT EINSTEIN HERMAN EISEN, M.D. HAYIM FINEMAN M. GALLEN, M.D. H.H. HARRIS ZELIG S. HARRIS SIDNEY HOOK FRED KARUSH BRURIA KAUFMAN IRMA L. LINDHEIM NACHMAN MAISEL SEYMOUR MELMAN MYER D. MENDELSON M.D., HARRY M. OSLINSKY SAMUEL PITLICK FRITZ ROHRLICH LOUIS P. ROCKER RUTH SAGIS ITZHAK SANKOWSKY I.J. SHOENBERG SAMUEL SHUMAN M. SINGER IRMA WOLFE STEFAN WOLF. New York, Dec. 2, 1948 === There you are , but don't let such facts disrupt /challenge your apparently deeply entrenched opinions of Zionism.
Fortunately for t Zionists , Albert Einstein is no longer around to tell us his conclusions of what the Zionist state finally became, however , its well documented what he thought of Zionist terrorists and what he thought abt the creation of a separate Jewish state.
yeah, he approved of a seperate Jewish state. - - - Updated - - - ah, more anti-Semitic conspiracy theories from you. when something challenges your deeply entrenched opinions of Zionism, you simply disregard it as "Hasbara/ZioNazi crap"
WRONG From your favourite wiki site , its says : "Fred Jerome in his Einstein on Israel and Zionism: His Provocative Ideas About the Middle East argues that Einstein was a Cultural Zionist who supported the idea of a Jewish homeland but opposed the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine preferring a bi-national state with “continuously functioning, mixed, administrative, economic, and social organizations.” But , I don't suppose you cant tell the difference .between a "homeland "and a "the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine I've no doubt that Einstein was initially sympathetic toward his fellow Jews , but I ALSO doubt he'd have ever sought to justify/gloss over Zionists criminal activities against , then , comparatively defenceless non-Jewish PALESTINIANS. big difference BETWEEN a "homeland " place of refuge and a separate STATE which involved ethnic cleansing majoritu non-Jewish inhabitants . ..
Einstein’s four-page letter of June 13 1947 to Nehru focused on moral and historical arguments. He opened with praise for India’s constituent assembly, which had just abolished untouchability. “The attention of the world was [now] fixed on the problem of another group of human beings who, like the untouchables, have been the victims of persecution and discrimination for centuries” – the Jews. He appealed to Nehru as a “consistent champion of the forces of political and economic enlightenment” to rule in favour of “the rights of an ancient people whose roots are in the East”. He pleaded for “justice and equity”. “Long before the emergence of Hitler I made the cause of Zionism mine because through it I saw a means of correcting a flagrant wrong.” But then Einstein took the bull by the horns, “the nature of [the] Arab opposition. Though the Arab of Palestine has benefited… economically, he wants exclusive national sovereignty, such as is enjoyed by the Arabs of Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Lebanon and Syria [sic]. It is a legitimate and natural desire, and justice would seem to call for its satisfaction.” But at the end of the first world war, the Allies gave the Arabs 99% of the “vast, underpopulated territories” liberated from the Turks to satisfy their national aspirations and five independent Arab states were established. One per cent was reserved for the Jews “in the land of their origin”. “In the august scale of justice, which weighs need against need, there is no doubt as to whose is more heavy.” What the Jews were allotted in the Balfour Declaration “redresses the balance” of justice and history. http://varnam.nationalinterest.in/2005/02/einstein_nehru_and_israel/
