Zionism

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  1. Marlowe

    Marlowe New Member

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    What do your expect ? Take a good look at nature. The veneer of so-called being civilized is extremely thin. Chimp packs hated other chimp packs , stone age humanoid packs/tribes hated each other ,

    Wild marauding Hebrews was told by their God to slaughter/exterminate Pagans,, long before Christians and Muslims came on the scene.

    Take your complaints to your creator.

    btw - what did the "Jews" do to make their god so angry with them that he punished them by dispersing them . ?

    Stop playing the victim , moaning about being persecuted and expecting every body's pity. .

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  2. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    um, its a myth bro.

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    tell that the "poor" Palestinians, who murder and mayhem while demanding the world's sympathy.
     
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    You're Right , every thing abt Ashkenazi Zionists Jewish land claims / links to Palestine /the Levant - are myths . They're not descendants from ancient/biblical Israelites /Judaens

    AFAI can tell , Palestinians , like most Arabs are proud people , unlike Jews - who are forever moaning , playing the eternal victim .

    Palestinians are NOT asking /expecting anyone's "sympathy " . they're DEMANDING + FIGHTING for JUSTICE. a just settlement, and for Jews to stop stealing their land.

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  4. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    more anti-Jewish bigotry from you.

    and denial of thousands of years of persecution of the Jews, at the hands of YOUR ancestors.
     
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    Oh right the "Palestinians" dont asking for abyone's sympathy, but those "Palestinians" publish pictures from the massacre that happen in Sirya and publish it to the world like Israel did it and they (the world) need to "save the poor" Palestinians.
    Give me a braek, fighting for justice? what kind of justice? if you dont remember but you said in your previous comment in one of the threat here that this land whice Israel established at, it doesnt belong to the Arabs . haha and then you say other people are hypocrites.
     
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    awww....poor wittle Palestinians.

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    How I wish things were still this way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  8. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    oh, so yuo wish Jews were still being slaughtered?
     
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    Why are you surprised ?
    That's what the filthy Arabs teach their kids in school.
     
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    Plagiarized from Google without giving the researchers of this piece the needed credit.
    The link submitted was for another thesis on Zionism not this short piece.
     
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    Did you know that the Palestinians publish fhotos from am assacre or from the history, most of those picture never consurened the Palestinians and yet the Palestinians publish those pictures as like Israel did it,

    You need to read what i write before you replay.
     
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    Margot2 Banned

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    I have posted the link twice.. You might read for a change.

    http://isreview.org/issues/24/hidden_history.shtml
     
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    BS - what a load of crap , how am I responsible for whatever you think my ancestors might have done ? besides - AFAIK most of my ancestors lived in rural areas + probably never met a Jew.

    I'm not responsible for everything which happened over 2 k years and fed up and bored listening to . Jewish moaning + wailings.

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  14. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    2,000 years ago?

    when were the Jews of England murdered and exiled?

    certainly NOT 2,000 years ago, mate.
     
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    In 1290, King Edward I issued an edict expelling all Jews from England. The expulsion edict remained in force for the rest of the Middle Ages. The edict was not an isolated incident, but the culmination of over 200 years of increased persecution. Oliver Cromwell permitted Jews to return to England in 1657, over 350 years since their banishment by Edward I, in exchange for finance.

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    In 1290, King Edward I issued an edict expelling all Jews from England. The expulsion edict remained in force for the rest of the Middle Ages. The edict was not an isolated incident, but the culmination of over 200 years of increased persecution. Oliver Cromwell permitted Jews to return to England in 1657, over 350 years since their banishment by Edward I, in exchange for finance.

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Expulsion

    In 1290, King Edward I issued an edict expelling all Jews from England. The expulsion edict remained in force for the rest of the Middle Ages. The edict was not an isolated incident, but the culmination of over 200 years of increased persecution. Oliver Cromwell permitted Jews to return to England in 1657, over 350 years since their banishment by Edward I, in exchange for finance.
     
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    Indeed - as Orthodox Jews and other biblical scholars have repeatedly proven, Zionism is heresy as the Bible teaches ONLY THE MESSIAH CAN REESTABLISH THE KINGDOM AND THAT IT WILL DONE PEACEABLY WITHOUT THE SHEDDING OF BLOOD. Supporting Zionism is supporting heresy. Don't believe it? Read the Bible.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    funny, the Jews re-established their nation after the Babylonian exile and nobody complained.

    and FYI, the true word is Tsionism, as the Hebrew word for Zion is pronounced "Tsion".
     
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    Yes.. their return after the Babylonian exile seems to be the second in-gathering.
     
  19. Mr_Truth

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    Amos 9:11-15

    Acts 1:6

    etc
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    no Jewish Kingdom has been re-established.

    your point is rendered, moot.

    and btw, the Hasmonean Kingdom was established AFTER the Bible was written.

    so hahaha!!!
     
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    let's not forget that there have been several attempts to reconstitute the Jewish republic, throughout the centuries.

    Tzionism is only the one that finally worked.
     
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    hmm, you may be right. it appears every jewish nation that existed prior to 1948, was a kingdom.

    or a province of rome.
     
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    And each of the biblical/mythical kingdoms did not last very long . did it ? :smile:

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    MYTH: Nationhood and Jerusalem. Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E.,

    Israel did not "become" a nation (need definitions for both) and it is important not to compare apples to oranges.

    Israel of today has little to do with "Israel" of 3000 years ago. Archeologists at Tel Aviv University showed that city states and kingdoms were routinely made and obliterated in the ancient land of Canaan while the natives survived and continued to live. [/B

    ]Ethnic cleansing was only recently practiced (1947-1949).

    The Israelites evolved from local Canaanites (archeological evidence, not the stories of the bible which were never intended to be taken literally).

    But even if one is to take the stories of the bible literally, there is plenty of "evidence" in the bible that Hebrews prospered with Adomite and other Canaanites. These are not states or nations in the modern sense. In either case, what is the relevance of this to politics in the Middle East. Christianity arose 2000 years ago well after Judaism but before Islam and that does not add anything to whether Christians need to go back and build a Byzantine state in Palestine.

    History is important so here goes.

    Canaanitic groups are classified into Western Canaanitic languages (Aramaic, Assyrian, Phoenician etc.) and

    Eastern Canaanitic languages (Arabic and Hebrew which were spoken but not written languages). Northern Canaanites (e.g. Nebateans and Phoenicians) developed the written languages. All these groups lived, fought, interacted, collaborated, etc. but no group was obliterated in history.



    The Jebusites (Canaanites) around 3,000 B.C. dwelt on the tract of land "Jebus" which later became Jerusalem? Ur-Shalem (Jerusalem) is a Canaanite word meaning, the house of Salem, the chieftain of the clan of Jebusites. Also Shalem a Canaanite God.

    The name Salem is Shalem in the Aramaic language and was also adapted to Arabic and Hebrew (but much later) to indicate peace. Similarly While Arabs and Jews think Bethlehem means house of bread or meat respectively, it is more appropriately house of Laham (the Canaanitic god of the southern hills).

    The temple of Solomon likely was built on the ruins of the Jebusite temple just like the Aksa was built on the same ruins.



    Historically, new religions did this so that they can adapt the locals to the new religion (i.e. you cannot shock them to stop them from going to their holy places but it is possible to change what Campbell calls "the face of God" (i.e. the image). Hence the Kaaba in Mecca is also the someplace that the ancient Pagans worshipped.



    All these groups lived, fought, interacted, collaborated, etc. but no group was obliterated in history. Palestinian villagers especially in Northern Palestine for hundreds of years and until today use the name Cana’an for their children

    . Second, designs on the cloths of villagers (the folkloric symbols) are Canaanitic symbols (& are shared by location and by locals who are both Christian and Muslim). I can site several other examples including ritualistic events that are likely pagan in origin. Jews converted to Christianity and Christian converted to Islam as major trends during the establishment of these religions is also well documented.

    One of the major myths perpetuated by latter followers of the religion is their novelty/freshness/ uniqueness and in the case of of some followers of Judaism thinking that is more than a religion but an inherited attribute.

    Genetically, Palestinian Christians and Muslims are closer to Sephardi Jews than either group is to Ashkenazi Jews who are in turn more turcik (and indo-European- ). Ashkenazi thus are not true semites. The use of the word anti-semitic is corrupted as Arabs are Semites and most Jews are not.

    Sources

    Davies P.R., "In Search of 'Ancient' Israel", Journal for the Study of the Old Testament, 1992.

    Hadawi, S., "Bitter Harvest, a modern history of Palestine", 4th Edition, Olive Branch Press, NYC, 1991

    Marcus, A.D., "The View from Nebo, How Archeology is rewriting the Bible and Reshaping the Middle East", Little, Brown, Boston, 2000.

    Whitelam K.W., "The Invention of Ancient Israel and the silencing of Palestinian History", Routledge, London, 1996.

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