In his speech last night Obama said that ISIS is not muslim

That would be a bank robber who only rob banks that refuse to convert to Christianity and only rape heathen women. But, if you wish to flounder in your defense of the Muslims, that's fine.

"On Friday, the al Qaeda splinter group issued an ultimatum to Iraqi Christians living in Mosul -- by Saturday at noon (5 a.m. ET), they must convert to Islam, pay a fine or face "death by the sword."
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/19/world/meast/christians-flee-mosul-iraq/

 

This will be deleted I'm sure...but this is the reality of what ISIS is doing.

4 years old.

Her crime?

Being a Christian in Iraq.



ISIS needs to be exterminated, they are parasites...they are sub-human.

No mercy & no quarter should be shown to any of them.

 

A personality cult or cult of personality. It’s when a person becomes the center of attention rather than original unifying force (religion etc); an individual looms larger than a mission; a figure is given more status than the organization itself.

IS in my opinion isn't a personality cult, maybe a misogynistic warrior cult, but the mission of advancing Islam is paramount. Abu Abdullah al-Rashid al-Baghdadi may have taken on the roll of emir, establishing IS as a Caliphate even, but he remains a cog in the machine who can and will be replaced if killed. The mission will go on without the "personality".

Cheers
Labour

 

You're on first name terms with a terrorist? If he had, would you have been part of the massed wail denying that he was a real Christian?

 

Am I on a 1st name terms with a dead terrorist? No, I can not talk to dead people, you? Strange response to a simple question. I am trying to fit together why you would use Tim as an example. Care to explain?

 

Not true. They are doing the same exact thing that the Prophet Muhammad did 1400 years ago. I know how badly you want to appear tolerant and multicultural by defending a non-white minority group, but you're simply not correct in your assertion.

And Timothy McVeigh was not a Christian. Second problem in your little post.

 

He's right. ISIS terrorists are as much Muslim as abortion clinic terrorists are Christians.

 

"In the 2001 book American Terrorist, McVeigh stated that he did not believe in Hell and that science is his religion.[88][89] In June 2001, a day before the execution, McVeigh wrote a letter to the Buffalo News identifying himself as agnostic.[90]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh

Explain why a Christian would say "science is my religion", while not believing in hell, while describing himself as an agnostic.

 

Most of the victims- and most of the opposition to ISIS are Muslims.

Most of the countries we are trying to enlist to fight ISIS are Muslim.

Why would President Obama go out of his way to offend and alienate both the victims of ISIS- and the allies we are attempting to work with?

Is this some kind of Right wing 'strategy' that I can't quite figure out?

 

Except the Bible doesn't command followers to commit violence against abortion providers. The Qur'an gives explicit commands to wage war against unbelievers, including beheadings. Aside from those little problems with your assertion...

 

If you read the book that Timothy Mcveigh Was passing out to everyone he could The Turner diaries
You will find he wanted to do the same thing As isis

 

probably trying to please our Muslim allies and upset ISIS, making ISIS do more chatter over the network, making them easier to find

 

Here is Tim himself explaining why.....

The indepth letters Timothy McVeigh invited the Observer to look at were sent to the safekeeping of his friend Bob Papovich who had up until now been told that the correspondence was to be kept 'off-the-record'.
But in a letter to Papovich written from death row on May 3, 2001. McVeigh told Papovich that these documents he had sent him contained 'the final piece missing from the "why" equation.'

In a letter to Observer journalist Tracy McVeigh, the convicted Oklahoma City bomber gave Papovich's phone number and pleaded: 'Ask him specifically for my 3-page letter "why I bombed the Murrah building'.

The following is that letter which shows the build-up of anger that McVeigh had against a US federal government 'run amok' against its citizens and the politics that led to his bombing of the Alfred P Murrah building in Oklahoma City on April 19 1995 - the second anniversary of Waco.

What McVeigh wrote:

'I explain herein why I bombed the Murrah federal building in Oklahoma City. I explain this not for publicity, nor seeking to win an argument of right or wrong. I explain so that the record is clear as to my thinking and motivations in bombing a government installation.

"I chose to bomb a federal building because such an action served more purposes than other options. Foremost the bombing was a retaliatory strike; a counter attack for the cumulative raids (and subsequent violence and damage) that federal agents had participated in over the preceding years (including, but not limited to, Waco). From the formation of such units as the FBI's Hostage Rescue and other assault teams amongst federal agencies during the 80s, culminating in the Waco incident, federal actions grew increasingly militaristic and violent, to the point where at Waco, our government - like the Chinese - was deploying tanks against its own citizens.

Knowledge of these multiple and ever-more aggressive raids across the country constituted an identifiable pattern of conduct within and by the federal government and amongst its various agencies.

'For all intents and purposes, federal agents had become soldiers (using military training, tactics, techniques, equipment, language, dress, organisation and mindset) and they were escalating their behaviour.

Therefore this bombing was meant as a pre-emptive (or pro-active) strike against these forces and their command and control centres within the federal building. When an aggressor force continually launches attacks from a particular base of operations, it is sound military strategy to take the fight to the enemy. Additionally, borrowing a page from US foreign policy, I decided to send a message to a government that was becoming increasingly hostile, by bombing a government building and the government employees within that building who represent that government. Bombing the Murrah federal building was morally and strategically equivalent to the US hitting a government building in Serbia, Iraq, or other nations.

Based on observations of the policies of my own government, I viewed this action as an acceptable option.

From this perspective, what occurred in Oklahoma City was no different than what Americans rain on the heads of others all the time, and subsequently, my mindset was and is one of clinical detachment. (The bombing of the Murrah building was not personal, no more than when Air Force, Army, Navy or Marine personnel bomb or launch cruise missiles against government installations and their personnel). I hope that this clarification amply addresses all questions.

Another letter sent to Papovich stated:

"When the post-inferno investigations and inquiries by the Executive and Legislative branches of government concluded that the federal government had done nothing fundamentally wrong during the raid of the Branch Davadians at Waco, the system not only failed the victims who died during that siege but also failed the citizens of this country. This failure in effect left the door open for more Wacos.'

McVeigh went on to the window of opportunity for federal agents to be held accountable for their crimes against "we the people" was again slammed shut during the court process when the US courts held that federal agents were not accountable for 'the massive loss of lives and property as well as an absolute denial of due process.'

"Some time after the fact they received awards, bonus pay and in some cases promotions for their disgusting and inhumane actions at Waco and Ruby Ridge.

"This was exemplified years later while I sat in prison, The Ruby Ridge FBI sniper, Lon Horiuchi, was charged by the state of Idaho for his actions.

"The federal courts threw out the charges, ruling that federal agents are immune from the laws that govern the common citizen.

'The surviving Davidians were sentenced to lengthy prison terms, despite protests from the trial jurors. The primary "checks and balances" system had again failed to correct the system.

'It was at this time, after waiting for non-violent checks and balances to correct ongoing federal abuses and seeing no such results, that the assault weapons ban was passed and rumours subsequently surfaced of nationwide, Waco-style raids scheduled for the spring of 1995 to confiscate firearms.

'These rumours were so persistent and deemed so credible that some congresswoman wrote letters to Attorney-General Janet Reno inquiring as to her intents and admonishing her to call off the raids.

"As it turns out these rumours were actually based on fact.

"Through the legal process called 'discovery' the Oklahoma City bombing defence learned that both the ATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms) and the FBI had formulated raid plans for the spring of 1995 at Elohim City in eastern Oklahoma. So for those who dismiss such concerns as paranoia you need to look at the facts as they existed at the time and further reflect that the Waco raid was not imaginary - it was a real event.

"It was in this climate then, that I reached the decision to go on the offensive - to put a check on government abuse of power where others has failed in stopping the federal juggernaut run amok.

Source:https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...eFmtjcoeEgfoSI8G3KdA9rA&bvm=bv.74894050,d.b2U

 

Obama is not going to roll his boys under the bus. This was his warning to them to go under ground for a while.

 

His boys? So you still think that the US is supporting the ISIS thugs? What would be the objective? Or haven't you given that any consideration?

 

So does that mean Eric Rudolph and Scott Roeder represent "pro-lifers"?

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Actually in the Bible, God orders babies to be killed.


"Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not
spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants,"---1 Samuel 15:3

 

You probably should READ the Koran... They are not to fight unbelievers unless the unbelievers "make mischief in the land"... Its pretty specific and not difficult to comprehend.

 

Yea, I do. The objective? Continued destabilization in the middle east. Makes money for the war machine. Or have you not noticed the US trucks, HUMVEEs, rifles they are using.

 

WHO is "making money for the war machine" exactly?

 

Nonsense

[3.151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.(*)

[2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah...(*)

2.216] Fighting is enjoined on you, and h is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.

[2.246] ...May it not be that you would not fight if fighting is ordained for you? They said: And what reason have we that we should not fight in the way of Allah, and we have indeed been compelled to abandon our homes and our children. But when fighting was ordained for them, they turned back, except a few of them, and Allah knows the unjust.

[3.169] And reckon not those who are killed in Allah's way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord;

[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.

[4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

[9.111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain;(*)

[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

[47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them

 

Read the whole Koran... in sequence.

 

American abortion providers are not the Amalekites.

Nice fail.

 

LOLOL.. Destabilizing the ME is the LAST thing that the US or Europe wants. We would have been thrilled with the status quo and NO Arab Spring.

 

Rebellion against God is not making "mischief in the land"? Refusing to pay the jizya with willing submission and feeling subdued is not making "mischief in the land"? The problem with that vague clause is that it has historically been used as justification for anything, and the result has been many, many dead people at the hands of Muslims.

 

Really? Never heard of the Military industrial complex.