Why we dont want religion in schools. Florida school now allows satanic material.

How do you propose to ‘keep religion out of public places’? How do you accomplish this?

I am no ‘religious pusher’. I am a supporter of the constitution that states the government cannot prohibit my free practice of my religion. What does ‘free practice’ mean to you?

 

No Sir. Children are by the very virtue of being children more easily swayed in their opinions, especially when those doing the "swaying" are authority figures like teachers or those allowed into the school by teachers. I don't care if it's any of the several versions of christianity, islam, or even pastafarianism it is not the schools business to expose the malleable minds of our youth to them.

If students want to discuss it among themselves I see no problem with that. If students choose to say a prayer before they eat or take a test or whatever that's fine too but teachers and outside agencys should not be allowed to proselytize on school time. Let the schools stick to "hard" subjects like math, reading, and science while the family deals with faith-based metaphysical stuff.

 

are you saying the government has to let religious fanatics run at the mouth during the SATs? or can they say, please leave the classroom if you don't want to play by the rules....

if a Muslim wants to go to your child's school, does the government have no right to stop him from proselytizing your child during class?

common sense, are you allowed to yell fire in a public school when there is no fire... no, common sense


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One thing folks seem to misunderstand about the books of the Old Testament, particularly the Pentateuch, is that they were written during a time where people were largely uneducated. Things were worded in very simple terms. I believe the Genesis account of creation was written in the simplest of terms to convey who the creator was and not meant to be taken literally. I am convinced there is evidence for our species evolving. I also believe science will never be able to explain where things began, where all this stuff came from, and how it is life appeared from a bunch of lifeless random space dust and gas. Science demands that the processes of cosmological object forming and various elements and life all happened from random chemical reactions. How do we end up with a predictable universe with completely random events?

 

no, I think the left goes even father into insanity, you know like attempt to change the first amendment to the US constitution, just cause they dont like what we say.....

Lets learn some thingys...
BREAKING: Senate Dems to Hold Vote to Change the First Amendment

This isnt the first time either, lets take a look....
Fairness Doctrine: History and Constitutional Issues

Of, course this isnt the second time either, lets dig deeper....
CHILLING: Obama admin wants access to newsrooms to ‘investigate’ how they decide what to cover…

Will Team Obama ever stop trying to intimidate the press?

 

You obviously haven’t paid attention to what I’ve posted. Please go back and read my stuff again.

I don’t care about yelling fire in a theater. That a safety issue. I have been clear about exercising rights ends when it comes to a person safety and well-being. I am asking you how you propose to ‘keep religion out of public places’? Yelling fire has nothing to do with someone exercising their religion.

 

Fine as long as they devoted 6 weeks to other FICTION.....(and 6 weeks on one book is brainwashing/indoctrination/proselytizing )

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LOL! None so blind as those that refuse to see....

 

Isn't GREED a sin?

How greedy can ya be that you're not satisfied with not paying taxes on your religious establishments...now you want Christians to HOG everything else that OTHERS pay for...

 

Do you think the government should force schools to train kindergarteners to accept anal sex?

Chicago To Mandate Obama-supported Same Sex Education For Kindergarten Kids

 

Well smart [/B]people wouldn't make stuff up to solve the conundrum.

There were lots of things science couldn't at one time explain but because it's science they now can.

 

I am not a supporter of the "Fairness Doctrine" --> at least not the forcing of it of it via law, I can always change the channel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine

"The Fairness Doctrine was a policy of the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC), introduced in 1949, that required the holders of broadcast licenses to both present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was, in the Commission's view, honest, equitable and balanced. The FCC eliminated the Doctrine in 1987, and in August 2011 the FCC formally removed the language that implemented the Doctrine"

I can understand why viewers of say MSNBC and FOX may not want honest, equitable and balanced news

the FCC may want those rights, but they should be slapped down when ever they request them, just as the religious may want to push their religion on our children.. but they should be slapped down when ever they request to do so

if I was a dem President I would never watch FOX, if I was a republican President I would never watch MSNBC - it's not productive use of ones time

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Ridiculous. The Bible is a book of stories. No different from any other book of fables. Each story has a message about humanity itself. There are numerous versions of these stories throughout the world in different variables for different religions and societies. That is the way they were presented and discussed. Nobody was being indoctrinated, in fact the discussions were extremely open minded and broad. Nobody was being told it was the truth and it was your duty to believe them no matter what. It was presented as literature just like the grade periods we spent on 'To Kill a Mockingbird', The Grape's of Wrath, and Moby Dick.

 

If a government official is attempting to alter the first amendment in any way, they are a communist.

Theres no excuse for weakening the best things about America.

 

Because everybody knows how destructive an informed populous that is fed honesty, and equitable/balanced news can be to the two party scam.

 

Conservative does not equal evangelical Christian, by far. Most conservatives (about 2/3) are not evangelical Christians.

 

Most Christians in the U.S.belong to churches that accept evolution--i.e. the Catholic church and most mainline Protestant churches. I love the way you make strawmen.

 

Didn't I just post that? Yes, I did!!!!


""""Fine as long as they devoted 6 weeks to other FICTION"""

See, fiction IS "fables", myths, and stories ..everything the bible is made of....just so students were reminded that it WAS fiction.

 

Love the way you change the argument. I have never said that religious teachings should supplant education. My views are about after school or non-curricular time. My points were very specific, and you obviously don't have the intellectual integrity to stick to my points. Instead you create these outrageous strawmen, that don't resemble my argument in the least.

It's not my style, but I support the right of the people who wish to do that, whether they be Christians, Moslems, Pastafarians, Jews, Scientologists or Satanists. I love the way you put in the dig about Christians. It's very instructive as to your mindset.

Depends on when it was carved. If it was carved pre-1960s, I would say leave it alone as a vestige of history. If carved since then, or proposed for future buildings, I would agree it's inappropriate for government buildings, and should be removed or not put in at all.

 

LOL! What?!?! You DENY my right to express MY beliefs???!

How arrogant! And two-faced! Christians don't own the US even if in their very sinful arrogance and greed they think they do...


I suppose devoting time in public schools to teaching about atheism is out with you, too.......

 

Both do. It's part of the way politics has evolved in this country.
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IMHO, both are just about as easy to believe, and IMHO, there is no real difference between the two views.

Science and religion are not opposed except in the minds of those who view either incorrectly. They deal with separate things, and shouldn't intersect.

Stephen Jay Gould (an atheist, BTW), 1997

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/library/gould_noma.html

 

That's your strawman....

if a Muslim wants to go to your child's school, does the government have no right to stop him from proselytizing your child during class?[/quote]

During class, yes, on the playground during recess if other free speech is allowed, no. That said, on the playground, my child also has the right to tell the proselytzer to buzz off (nicely).

 

Same thing both sides do. So. Meh. News at 11?

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Maybe, BUT, its the evangical base that is in control of the GOP.

 

I was addressing the notion it was an indoctrination of some form. You made that claim, yes? That means you automatically jumped to the wrong conclusion so I took the time to explained the situation in detail so you would see that it wasn't the case.

This is why it is so hard to have a productive discussion these days. Half the population is paranoid and on edge, carrying a huge chip on their shoulder.

 

Only as far as we agree with them ideologically.

 

No chip, just very watchful about those paranoid Christians trying to impose their beliefs on unsuspecting children...and I have a right to do that.